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Contrary to leftist belief just giving people a roof over their head doesn't magically fix things. Where it that easy. A lot of homeless are mentally ill, drug

Contrary to leftist belief just giving people a roof over their head doesn't magically fix things. Where it that easy. A lot of homeless are mentally ill, drug users and or antisocial. You can't just drop these people in a neighbourhood and everyone lived happily ever after.

vineyardmike 5y ago
> A lot of homeless are mentally ill, drug users and or antisocial. 1. the article data doesn't back that up. it showed most of the growth was not mentally ill drug users. 2. Being homeless might make you mentally ill, drug using anti-social person.
cheriot 5y ago
Nobody claims housing fixes those things, but it is an improvement over the same people sleeping on the sidewalk. We don't need to put off the simple solutions because there are harder ones after that.
woodruffw 5y ago
I didn’t say it “fixes” things, whatever that can possibly mean. All I’ve done is counter the normal excuse for the barbaric practice of not providing basic amenities to the most needy.
brendoelfrendo 5y ago
I don't know a single leftist who wants to just drop the homeless in housing and forget about them. Usually, when people talk about housing-first policies, they're advocating for flipping the script: don't make treatment, abstinence or work a prerequisite for housing; give them a permanent address, a climate-controlled shelter, and a secure place to store their belongings. And then, concurrent to that, you can help them get a job and treatment for illness or addiction.
- GhettoComputers 5y ago
  Most people regardless of politics are simply NIMBY and assume because they haven’t been in the same situation but think they know better, it’s just like Emma/Clueless. I know people who got section 8 housing and just lazed around, I remember one guy said he moved out to pay himself and I didn’t understand why someone would rationally do that, it’s similar to moving out of your parent’s home. It feels good to work for what you get, our struggles and pain are what drives our personal growth, rather than subsidizing symptoms and masking the problems like being beaten by your husband but the antidepressants and opiates are soothing enough to stay.

vineyardmike 5y ago

> A lot of homeless are mentally ill, drug users and or antisocial. 1. the article data doesn't back that up. it showed most of the growth was not mentally ill drug users. 2. Being homeless might make you mentally ill, drug using anti-social person.

cheriot 5y ago

Nobody claims housing fixes those things, but it is an improvement over the same people sleeping on the sidewalk. We don't need to put off the simple solutions because there are harder ones after that.

woodruffw 5y ago

I didn’t say it “fixes” things, whatever that can possibly mean. All I’ve done is counter the normal excuse for the barbaric practice of not providing basic amenities to the most needy.

brendoelfrendo 5y ago

I don't know a single leftist who wants to just drop the homeless in housing and forget about them. Usually, when people talk about housing-first policies, they're advocating for flipping the script: don't make treatment, abstinence or work a prerequisite for housing; give them a permanent address, a climate-controlled shelter, and a secure place to store their belongings. And then, concurrent to that, you can help them get a job and treatment for illness or addiction.

GhettoComputers 5y ago
Most people regardless of politics are simply NIMBY and assume because they haven’t been in the same situation but think they know better, it’s just like Emma/Clueless. I know people who got section 8 housing and just lazed around, I remember one guy said he moved out to pay himself and I didn’t understand why someone would rationally do that, it’s similar to moving out of your parent’s home. It feels good to work for what you get, our struggles and pain are what drives our personal growth, rather than subsidizing symptoms and masking the problems like being beaten by your husband but the antidepressants and opiates are soothing enough to stay.