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> A founder* is a hacker that never uses excuses. A founder* is a hacker that has at least a quarter million dollars of liquid money, or access to that from im

> A founder* is a hacker that never uses excuses. A founder* is a hacker that has at least a quarter million dollars of liquid money, or access to that from immediate family or close friends. * based on the actual research around this

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el_ravager 5y ago
A founder is a sociopath who steals from the workers.
- robocat 5y ago
  Calling people sociopaths is against site guidelines - flagged. Making nasty assumptions about any group of people is unhealthy - I hope you can learn to be more open minded. I would like to see some figures for the average $ received by the founders of YC companies, for the first five years of YC. It wouldn’t surprise me if employees of those companies have a higher average $ return than founders.
laurent92 5y ago
Hard to believe car repair shops or taxi businesses can ever get started, since they need a million more things than a desktop and a chair. And yet they do, and they don’t get millionaire in the end. So, you don’t need a quarter million dollars to start a startup. I did it with $12000 that I had saved from my previous job, spent over a year, with a little consulting nightjob. “What about if you have 3 kids, 2 dogs, 1 swimming pool and 7 secondary flats.” Entrepreneurship is not owed to you. What we’re owed is renewing the elites if they are doing a bad job, using companies that start and replace the existing ones. Facebook, Whatsapp, Tesla and SpaceX didn’t exist 20 years ago, and 84% billionaires are first-generation billionaires, the rest are women and got rich by inheritance or marriages. So elites are ~96% renewed at my generation. Job done.
cbtacy 5y ago
I founded 4 startups after moving to SF with $600 (and without support from my family). It's easy to make excuses for why you can't start a company and in fact there are a million great reasons why you should never do so. Starting a company is a terrible decision from a purely rational or financial perspective. But don't act like it's not possible unless you're rich. That's just not true.
- epicureanideal 5y ago
  Can you share more details about your story? Maybe it will be helpful to others. Thanks!
  - cbtacy 5y ago
    Growing up poor and hungry tends to turn some people into hustlers. That's how it worked for me. Then it was just "right place, right time." First startup was acquired after Series A by a publicly traded company. Second startup was bootstrapped by the founding team of the first startup and was acquired by a publicly traded company. Third startup was acquired after the Series A by a competitor. Fourth startup was acquired after the Series B by a publicly traded company. I had incredible co-founders and worked with some amazing teams. I only had one bad investor and was lucky enough to work with some incredible board members. But most of all, I had incredible timing and I embraced the grind.
    - epicureanideal 5y ago
      Can you share more about how you managed to get the first startup up and running, and especially the seed and series A fundraising process in your specific case?
      - cbtacy 5y ago
        We started working out of a coffee bar, using our pooled savings along with credit card debt (representing about 7 months runway). We were introduced to a great Angel investor by a former boss who gave us glowing recommendations. This Angel did the seed round along with a small syndicate they brought along with. We subleased a super crappy office in San Mateo. Our MVP was quite successful, and we decided to go out for our Series A (using intros from our lead investor). Over the course of 40 days we pitched pretty much every institutional VC in the Bay Area (and every single one passed on us). Just about when we were ready to give up, the very first VC we pitched called us and asked us to come back and re-pitch. They ended up leading the Series A, and our existing investors took the rest of the round.
robocat 5y ago
Needing money is the #1 excuse for avoiding founding a business. I have helped found two businesses. The first I put in all I had (~10k), and the second was founded a year later because the first was failing and I was essentially broke. The 3 co-founders who all had small children drew down mortgages to fund themselves. Being hungry for money, we started doing some irrelevant consulting to pay ourselves some money: which was about minimum wage for the first year (not enough to pay all bills). I lived in a derelict building with opiate addicts (not my scene, but it was my friend’s addiction). As founders we were fortunate that we couldn’t get VC funding, since now we still own all of the business. The business hasn’t turned into a unicorn, but has been mildly successful, and now the founders have a better financial story than most first employees (@1%). YC provides living expenses while you validate your idea and get funding. There is usually a way to succeed but you must have the right thought patterns. If you are the sort of person who finds excuses, you are far better off being an employee. The amount of money a good engineer in the US can earn is astonishing. On average, being a founder is a financially stupid decision. Most VC funds fail, and VC has seniority for any business sale, so founders have a much higher risk than VC. The chance of a 20% payout is nowhere near enough to cover the risks of failing. Be an employee, take your 1%, value it at $0, and enjoy banking your low risk salary and avoid screwing your health and have a social life and look after your family. Please, try to avoid selection bias where you see a founder win $200M but you ignore the other majority of founders who failed and ended up with $0 and a broken life.

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el_ravager 5y ago

A founder is a sociopath who steals from the workers.

robocat 5y ago
Calling people sociopaths is against site guidelines - flagged. Making nasty assumptions about any group of people is unhealthy - I hope you can learn to be more open minded. I would like to see some figures for the average $ received by the founders of YC companies, for the first five years of YC. It wouldn’t surprise me if employees of those companies have a higher average $ return than founders.

laurent92 5y ago

Hard to believe car repair shops or taxi businesses can ever get started, since they need a million more things than a desktop and a chair. And yet they do, and they don’t get millionaire in the end. So, you don’t need a quarter million dollars to start a startup. I did it with $12000 that I had saved from my previous job, spent over a year, with a little consulting nightjob. “What about if you have 3 kids, 2 dogs, 1 swimming pool and 7 secondary flats.” Entrepreneurship is not owed to you. What we’re owed is renewing the elites if they are doing a bad job, using companies that start and replace the existing ones. Facebook, Whatsapp, Tesla and SpaceX didn’t exist 20 years ago, and 84% billionaires are first-generation billionaires, the rest are women and got rich by inheritance or marriages. So elites are ~96% renewed at my generation. Job done.

cbtacy 5y ago

I founded 4 startups after moving to SF with $600 (and without support from my family). It's easy to make excuses for why you can't start a company and in fact there are a million great reasons why you should never do so. Starting a company is a terrible decision from a purely rational or financial perspective. But don't act like it's not possible unless you're rich. That's just not true.

epicureanideal 5y ago
Can you share more details about your story? Maybe it will be helpful to others. Thanks!
- cbtacy 5y ago
  Growing up poor and hungry tends to turn some people into hustlers. That's how it worked for me. Then it was just "right place, right time." First startup was acquired after Series A by a publicly traded company. Second startup was bootstrapped by the founding team of the first startup and was acquired by a publicly traded company. Third startup was acquired after the Series A by a competitor. Fourth startup was acquired after the Series B by a publicly traded company. I had incredible co-founders and worked with some amazing teams. I only had one bad investor and was lucky enough to work with some incredible board members. But most of all, I had incredible timing and I embraced the grind.
  - epicureanideal 5y ago
    Can you share more about how you managed to get the first startup up and running, and especially the seed and series A fundraising process in your specific case?
    - cbtacy 5y ago
      We started working out of a coffee bar, using our pooled savings along with credit card debt (representing about 7 months runway). We were introduced to a great Angel investor by a former boss who gave us glowing recommendations. This Angel did the seed round along with a small syndicate they brought along with. We subleased a super crappy office in San Mateo. Our MVP was quite successful, and we decided to go out for our Series A (using intros from our lead investor). Over the course of 40 days we pitched pretty much every institutional VC in the Bay Area (and every single one passed on us). Just about when we were ready to give up, the very first VC we pitched called us and asked us to come back and re-pitch. They ended up leading the Series A, and our existing investors took the rest of the round.

robocat 5y ago

Needing money is the #1 excuse for avoiding founding a business. I have helped found two businesses. The first I put in all I had (~10k), and the second was founded a year later because the first was failing and I was essentially broke. The 3 co-founders who all had small children drew down mortgages to fund themselves. Being hungry for money, we started doing some irrelevant consulting to pay ourselves some money: which was about minimum wage for the first year (not enough to pay all bills). I lived in a derelict building with opiate addicts (not my scene, but it was my friend’s addiction). As founders we were fortunate that we couldn’t get VC funding, since now we still own all of the business. The business hasn’t turned into a unicorn, but has been mildly successful, and now the founders have a better financial story than most first employees (@1%). YC provides living expenses while you validate your idea and get funding. There is usually a way to succeed but you must have the right thought patterns. If you are the sort of person who finds excuses, you are far better off being an employee. The amount of money a good engineer in the US can earn is astonishing. On average, being a founder is a financially stupid decision. Most VC funds fail, and VC has seniority for any business sale, so founders have a much higher risk than VC. The chance of a 20% payout is nowhere near enough to cover the risks of failing. Be an employee, take your 1%, value it at $0, and enjoy banking your low risk salary and avoid screwing your health and have a social life and look after your family. Please, try to avoid selection bias where you see a founder win $200M but you ignore the other majority of founders who failed and ended up with $0 and a broken life.