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> Many men make it their entire identity to make sure everyone knows they wouldn't pay* for anything related to visually sexually stimulating entertainment, but

by GDC7 5y ago

> Many men make it their entire identity to make sure everyone knows they wouldn't pay* for anything related to visually sexually stimulating entertainment, but the analytics data shows a very broad distribution of society of every background does subscribe and/or pay later in the funnel Is it though? Sex work radically transposes the moment when the man manages to get a yes. It moves from being when you said a particular thing or made a move to kiss her to when you actually earned the money to pay for sex work. The moment you receive the paycheck or make the monthly budget of expenses is the moment where you de-facto managed to get your "Yes" for a sexual encounter, with 100% certanety. (That is unless you are very rude or particularly ugly or dirty) Many men (including me) can't get enthusiastic (both body-wise and mentally-wise) about the aforementioned scenario. It's like being an NFL owner and paying to win the SuperBowl, you get the ring and lift the Lombardi trophy...but the 100% chances granted by your payment goes to void any enthusiasm and genuine joy. There must be a chance of failure or being potentially turned down (at least in my opinion). Working the odds is good , making sure that they are in your favor is great, but they should never be 100% like in sex work because then what's the point?

vmception 5y ago
Honestly I don't know what you are saying here. What scenario are you talking about specifically? A man manages to get a win? What does that even mean, are you talking about the probability of convincing a women to have sex with a man? This conversation and article is about online porn and erotic streamers.
- GDC7 5y ago
  > A man manages to get a win? Typo, I meant a "yes". > What does that even mean, are you talking about the probability of convincing a women to have sex with a man? I mean a sexual encounter of any kind, real or virtual, real-time or delayed. Enthusiasm for a "yes" comes from the possibility of it being a "no". At least that's how my brain works, and there are some literature pertaining as to how we perceive positive outcomes as the opposite of the negative outcome we lived in fear of. That's the reason why NFL owners don't pay to outright win the SuperBowl and even regular people try to make 2 balanced teams when playing flag football or 5-a-side soccer. Or maybe I am just overthinking it, but I don't mean sex work should be illegal , matter of fact it should be legal...I was just pointing out that paying for sex work moves the joy of receiving a "yes" all the way back to when you receive a paycheck or make a monthly budget and that is not the same thing, so that's maybe why many men don't engage in it.
  - vmception 5y ago
    In my brain it is a form of entertainment that has nothing to do with elevating a scenario built around scarcity or effort or policing sexuality. For me, the enthusiasm of a "yes" is the response of them having a streaming service. I don't really think further than that or extrapolate what specific actions are going to happen there. I do hope to see them naked whether they sent me something on their streamer-persona's snapchat or if I switched to a courtship game or if I ever approached them at all! But if that's not possible then that's fine, and also normal, not really sure why/if that needed to be said. How people look is a factor in whether an interaction is attempted, not really news. I think it is unnecessary to segregate this, and that's my view of almost all sex work. Earn.com which was acquired, was all about paying to reach VC's inboxes and it worked and many VCs participated in it. In your analogy, it would mean less to reach them due to paying for the campaign to get their attention. Its just not a standard that was really brought up. Do I really need to point out the one-to-one relation between how erotic performer's services work on streaming sites?
  - redis_mlc 5y ago
    > maybe I am just overthinking it Making relationships directly transactional is corrosive - that's the problem with OF. Making relationships transitory is also corrosive - that's the problem with Tinder. OF and Tinder are in the process of destroying the West by destroying women psychologically. Already 25% of women are on head meds, and that's rapidly climbing. You can watch the Fresh and Fit YT channel, which has conversations with mainly OF women, to see the effect.
  - version_five 5y ago
    > joy of receiving a "yes" all the way back to when you receive a paycheck or make a monthly budget I think I get it, that there's "thrill of the chase" element that you don't get with paid encounters. There is definitely a difference, but there is still some element of searching for and finding something you're interested in. And that aside, do you not like going to a restaurant because you knew you could as soon as you earned the money to buy the meal? Maybe it's not the same as eating a fish you caught yourself, but it's still enjoyable isnt it?

by GDC7 5y ago

vmception 5y ago

Honestly I don't know what you are saying here. What scenario are you talking about specifically? A man manages to get a win? What does that even mean, are you talking about the probability of convincing a women to have sex with a man? This conversation and article is about online porn and erotic streamers.

GDC7 5y ago
> A man manages to get a win? Typo, I meant a "yes". > What does that even mean, are you talking about the probability of convincing a women to have sex with a man? I mean a sexual encounter of any kind, real or virtual, real-time or delayed. Enthusiasm for a "yes" comes from the possibility of it being a "no". At least that's how my brain works, and there are some literature pertaining as to how we perceive positive outcomes as the opposite of the negative outcome we lived in fear of. That's the reason why NFL owners don't pay to outright win the SuperBowl and even regular people try to make 2 balanced teams when playing flag football or 5-a-side soccer. Or maybe I am just overthinking it, but I don't mean sex work should be illegal , matter of fact it should be legal...I was just pointing out that paying for sex work moves the joy of receiving a "yes" all the way back to when you receive a paycheck or make a monthly budget and that is not the same thing, so that's maybe why many men don't engage in it.
- vmception 5y ago
  In my brain it is a form of entertainment that has nothing to do with elevating a scenario built around scarcity or effort or policing sexuality. For me, the enthusiasm of a "yes" is the response of them having a streaming service. I don't really think further than that or extrapolate what specific actions are going to happen there. I do hope to see them naked whether they sent me something on their streamer-persona's snapchat or if I switched to a courtship game or if I ever approached them at all! But if that's not possible then that's fine, and also normal, not really sure why/if that needed to be said. How people look is a factor in whether an interaction is attempted, not really news. I think it is unnecessary to segregate this, and that's my view of almost all sex work. Earn.com which was acquired, was all about paying to reach VC's inboxes and it worked and many VCs participated in it. In your analogy, it would mean less to reach them due to paying for the campaign to get their attention. Its just not a standard that was really brought up. Do I really need to point out the one-to-one relation between how erotic performer's services work on streaming sites?
- redis_mlc 5y ago
  > maybe I am just overthinking it Making relationships directly transactional is corrosive - that's the problem with OF. Making relationships transitory is also corrosive - that's the problem with Tinder. OF and Tinder are in the process of destroying the West by destroying women psychologically. Already 25% of women are on head meds, and that's rapidly climbing. You can watch the Fresh and Fit YT channel, which has conversations with mainly OF women, to see the effect.
- version_five 5y ago
  > joy of receiving a "yes" all the way back to when you receive a paycheck or make a monthly budget I think I get it, that there's "thrill of the chase" element that you don't get with paid encounters. There is definitely a difference, but there is still some element of searching for and finding something you're interested in. And that aside, do you not like going to a restaurant because you knew you could as soon as you earned the money to buy the meal? Maybe it's not the same as eating a fish you caught yourself, but it's still enjoyable isnt it?