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Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly

Doubt it. First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. The Framework is niche hardware and honestly, it's doubtful non-developers would ever hear about it. Odds are it's something Linux users are seeking out.

dagw 5y ago
First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not true in this case. Framework charge you the full $140 for Windows Home and $200 if you want Windows Pro.
Rebelgecko 5y ago
>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more
- Mikeb85 5y ago
  Strange considering other OEMs bundle it for the same cost as Linux. Framework's loss or they just don't consider it important?
  - unethical_ban 5y ago
    Or OEMs rip you off by including the Windows price in the no-OS cost.
  - pentium166 5y ago
    I would guess it's a combination of Framework not having the same deal the big OEMs are getting, OEM grift, and based on the price, Framework appears to be selling retail Windows licenses rather than OEM licenses.
  - pydry 5y ago
    Or Microsoft puts subtle, legally deniable pressure on the OEMs. I've never managed to buy the laptop i want without a windows license. Often it's been a PITA to take it off, too, to add insult to extra cost. In the 90s they threw their hands up and said it was nothing to do with them that this kept on happening and it was all a hare brained conspiracy. Until that memo came out and proved otherwise, of course. I can't imagine framework getting the decent OEM bulk windows license deals being as avowedly pro linux as they are.
    - Mikeb85 5y ago
      That's fair. I'm no MS fan for the record. Just assumed Framework would have access to some OEM deal on Windows OSes. My next laptop is definitely going to be something without Windows (Linux user for the last ~15 or so years).
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    - lwkl 5y ago
      I think if you buy in high enough volume you can buy devices from OEMs without a Windows license. I bought my ThinkPad that way and it cost about $100 less than the version with a Windows license. I only got this deal over a project that procures hardware for universities and students. They offer a limited amount of models with a price that is about 20 - 30 % lower than retail. I guess big companies that order in the same volume get similar deals.
- tomnipotent 5y ago
  It reads mostly like a marketing decision.
beanjuiceII 5y ago
i bought a system76 and removed linux and put windows 10 on it so i don't think it impossible to think people do this stuff
duped 5y ago
One of the (maybe the?) largest tech reviewer on YouTube quite publicly bought one on the spot after reviewing and then invested in the company.
officeplant 5y ago
Recently I could still save money on Lenovo, Dell, and even some HP business machines by ordering the No OS (freedos) or Linux options. I haven't checked in two years because I haven't needed a new machine. You just don't see it as often in the consumer space when microsoft is subsidizing the cost of windows to remain the ever present option.

dagw 5y ago

First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not true in this case. Framework charge you the full $140 for Windows Home and $200 if you want Windows Pro.

Rebelgecko 5y ago

>First of all, computers with Windows aren't any more expensive than the same model with no OS or Linux. That's not what Framework's website is telling me. It looks like getting it with Windows costs up to $199 more

Mikeb85 5y ago
Strange considering other OEMs bundle it for the same cost as Linux. Framework's loss or they just don't consider it important?
- unethical_ban 5y ago
  Or OEMs rip you off by including the Windows price in the no-OS cost.
- pentium166 5y ago
  I would guess it's a combination of Framework not having the same deal the big OEMs are getting, OEM grift, and based on the price, Framework appears to be selling retail Windows licenses rather than OEM licenses.
- pydry 5y ago
  Or Microsoft puts subtle, legally deniable pressure on the OEMs. I've never managed to buy the laptop i want without a windows license. Often it's been a PITA to take it off, too, to add insult to extra cost. In the 90s they threw their hands up and said it was nothing to do with them that this kept on happening and it was all a hare brained conspiracy. Until that memo came out and proved otherwise, of course. I can't imagine framework getting the decent OEM bulk windows license deals being as avowedly pro linux as they are.
  - Mikeb85 5y ago
    That's fair. I'm no MS fan for the record. Just assumed Framework would have access to some OEM deal on Windows OSes. My next laptop is definitely going to be something without Windows (Linux user for the last ~15 or so years).
  - deleted 5y ago
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  - lwkl 5y ago
    I think if you buy in high enough volume you can buy devices from OEMs without a Windows license. I bought my ThinkPad that way and it cost about $100 less than the version with a Windows license. I only got this deal over a project that procures hardware for universities and students. They offer a limited amount of models with a price that is about 20 - 30 % lower than retail. I guess big companies that order in the same volume get similar deals.
tomnipotent 5y ago
It reads mostly like a marketing decision.

beanjuiceII 5y ago

i bought a system76 and removed linux and put windows 10 on it so i don't think it impossible to think people do this stuff

duped 5y ago

One of the (maybe the?) largest tech reviewer on YouTube quite publicly bought one on the spot after reviewing and then invested in the company.

officeplant 5y ago

Recently I could still save money on Lenovo, Dell, and even some HP business machines by ordering the No OS (freedos) or Linux options. I haven't checked in two years because I haven't needed a new machine. You just don't see it as often in the consumer space when microsoft is subsidizing the cost of windows to remain the ever present option.