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100% a K.I.S.S. is their old non-javascripted Gmail interface that never needed a loading bar.

zamadatix 5y ago
The old interface is still there https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html and will be recommended if the client is underperforming during loading the new interface. I wouldn't call it having JS a simple matter of KISS though, features like live refresh seem to be core to an email portal not an over complication.
- wintermutestwin 5y ago
  I don't want my email web client to live refresh. I check a given inbox when I have the energy to respond.
  - zamadatix 5y ago
    And some people like a car with a manual transmission but in either case it has nothing to do with KISS when talking about an automatic car. KISS is about removing unnecessary complexity from a design not removing functionality from the design to simplify it.
    - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
      Is there a reason meta refresh isn't good enough?
    - fsckboy 5y ago
      pretty sure KISS is about removing some functionality to simplify, like "don't be over-ambitious"
handrous 5y ago
The entire page loads faster than most "AJAX" interactions on full-fat Gmail. Plus it doesn't use more memory than my first three Web-connected computers had combined, for a single tab. Only way Gmail's tolerable. Their worst version isn't full-fat Gmail, though, but their lite mobile version. They've done something idiotic with touch & scrolling on there that causes "stop the scroll" touches to register as taps on elements, making it damn near unusable. You fling-to-scroll, tap-and-hold to stop, but it takes the tap-and-hold as a touch on whatever's under your finger. Also triggers tap-events it when you're making multiple scrolling swipes. I dunno what it is about Google and fucking up mobile web interfaces for no reason. AMP pages also had inexplicable make-scrolling-shitty code in them, which was part of why I hated them. Why put in more work to make mobile suck? It makes no sense.
- lern_too_spel 5y ago
  AMP scrolling was broken on iOS because of an iframe scrolling bug in Safari that, like any Safari bug, wasn't fixed for ages. I never experienced any issues on Firefox or Chrome on Android. https://medium.com/@dvoytenko/amp-ios-scrolling-redo-2-the-shadow-wrapper-approach-experimental-3362ed3c2fa2 https://medium.com/@dvoytenko/amp-ios-scrolling-redo-2-the-s...

The old interface is still there https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html https://mail.google.com/mail/?ui=html and will be recommended if the client is underperforming during loading the new interface. I wouldn't call it having JS a simple matter of KISS though, features like live refresh seem to be core to an email portal not an over complication.

wintermutestwin 5y ago
I don't want my email web client to live refresh. I check a given inbox when I have the energy to respond.
- zamadatix 5y ago
  And some people like a car with a manual transmission but in either case it has nothing to do with KISS when talking about an automatic car. KISS is about removing unnecessary complexity from a design not removing functionality from the design to simplify it.
  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 5y ago
    Is there a reason meta refresh isn't good enough?
  - fsckboy 5y ago
    pretty sure KISS is about removing some functionality to simplify, like "don't be over-ambitious"

handrous 5y ago

The entire page loads faster than most "AJAX" interactions on full-fat Gmail. Plus it doesn't use more memory than my first three Web-connected computers had combined, for a single tab. Only way Gmail's tolerable. Their worst version isn't full-fat Gmail, though, but their lite mobile version. They've done something idiotic with touch & scrolling on there that causes "stop the scroll" touches to register as taps on elements, making it damn near unusable. You fling-to-scroll, tap-and-hold to stop, but it takes the tap-and-hold as a touch on whatever's under your finger. Also triggers tap-events it when you're making multiple scrolling swipes. I dunno what it is about Google and fucking up mobile web interfaces for no reason. AMP pages also had inexplicable make-scrolling-shitty code in them, which was part of why I hated them. Why put in more work to make mobile suck? It makes no sense.

lern_too_spel 5y ago
AMP scrolling was broken on iOS because of an iframe scrolling bug in Safari that, like any Safari bug, wasn't fixed for ages. I never experienced any issues on Firefox or Chrome on Android. https://medium.com/@dvoytenko/amp-ios-scrolling-redo-2-the-shadow-wrapper-approach-experimental-3362ed3c2fa2 https://medium.com/@dvoytenko/amp-ios-scrolling-redo-2-the-s...