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> Have you installed these devices yourselves? I don’t own a car, so no. But a bike is my primary means of traffic. Do I get no say in traffic safety that impa

> Have you installed these devices yourselves? I don’t own a car, so no. But a bike is my primary means of traffic. Do I get no say in traffic safety that impacts me? > Person saying taxes should be higher for everyone -- what's stopping them from paying more right now? I also do this. California allows tax payers to pay taxes to a couple dozen special funds. I usually kick in extra for the rape kit tests and coastal preservation funds. BTW, arguing bothsideism is one of the least effective ways to analyze policy. Focus on the specifics. Even though I support this mandate, one of the downsides is it costs $80/month to keep ignition locks calibrated. How does the federal government plan to make this equitable?

throwaway2077 5y ago
you do get a say because you also impact traffic safety - which is why that system should be installed on bikes as well
- jdavis703 5y ago
  Perhaps, but drunk bike riders cause about as much mayhem as two drunk people fighting in a bar. Whereas drunk drivers are capable of easily killing someone without malice. I write this as someone who has both been hit by a drunk bike rider and unintentionally hurt in a bar fight that wasn’t even involving me.
  - water8 5y ago
    You've clearly never seen the damage a person can cause to the driver when hit by a car. If a person is in the road and intoxicated they can still cause injury or death.
    - jdavis703 5y ago
      Yes, but they generally don’t. And yes I’ve seen a bike rider t-boned and tossed in the air before. I’m well aware of the carnage from crashes.
  - throwaway2077 5y ago
    a drunk bike rider can cause a sober car driver to swerve into the opposite lane or pedestrians
dublin 5y ago
No, you don't get a say. Bicycles should stay on the sidewalks. :-)
- davidw 5y ago
  That's not legal in many places. Probably best to be informed about the status quo prior to commenting.
- jdavis703 5y ago
  I’d actually prefer to ride on the sidewalk. But then pedestrians complain about aggressive bikes passing them closely at 15 MPH.
greenail 5y ago
Cycling while drunk is a DUI [1] so would you be willing to make all new bicycles have the same requirements? [1] https://www.alcohol.org/dui/riding-bicycle/ https://www.alcohol.org/dui/riding-bicycle/

throwaway2077 5y ago

you do get a say because you also impact traffic safety - which is why that system should be installed on bikes as well

jdavis703 5y ago
Perhaps, but drunk bike riders cause about as much mayhem as two drunk people fighting in a bar. Whereas drunk drivers are capable of easily killing someone without malice. I write this as someone who has both been hit by a drunk bike rider and unintentionally hurt in a bar fight that wasn’t even involving me.
- water8 5y ago
  You've clearly never seen the damage a person can cause to the driver when hit by a car. If a person is in the road and intoxicated they can still cause injury or death.
  - jdavis703 5y ago
    Yes, but they generally don’t. And yes I’ve seen a bike rider t-boned and tossed in the air before. I’m well aware of the carnage from crashes.
- throwaway2077 5y ago
  a drunk bike rider can cause a sober car driver to swerve into the opposite lane or pedestrians

dublin 5y ago

No, you don't get a say. Bicycles should stay on the sidewalks. :-)

davidw 5y ago
That's not legal in many places. Probably best to be informed about the status quo prior to commenting.
jdavis703 5y ago
I’d actually prefer to ride on the sidewalk. But then pedestrians complain about aggressive bikes passing them closely at 15 MPH.

greenail 5y ago

Cycling while drunk is a DUI [1] so would you be willing to make all new bicycles have the same requirements? [1] https://www.alcohol.org/dui/riding-bicycle/ https://www.alcohol.org/dui/riding-bicycle/