3 ms·

When you have these devices running business critical operations, businesses are usually willing to pay more for enterprise level support, which isn't really an

When you have these devices running business critical operations, businesses are usually willing to pay more for enterprise level support, which isn't really an option for Arduino (not directly from the manufacturer at least).

luciusdomitius 5y ago
Well, if this means running an antiquated app on a broken OS for business critical operation... I think it puts you in choosing the lesser evil situation. On top of that I have bought 2 Siemens MSD80 ECUs (400+ EUR) and maybe around 20 VDO injectors (at 250 EUR each). The reason is not that I am a huge Siemens fan, but that the quality was and still is appaling.
- ishikawa 5y ago
  There is no legacy OS as when you start it it simply starts running the program. You just need to program it on a computer, but the software suite is always updated. It is ugly indeed, but not broken.
  - OneTimePetes 5y ago
    Its very much broken by design. It has no proper Callstack debugging and thus discourages structured programming - aka use of objects and methods.
    - Redimo 5y ago
      You dont use objects and methods in Logo - that goes literally against what it is. Its a FUP based programming device. I mean, it's been some time since I last held one, but I'd be _very_ surprised if you could "code" on it. The whole idea of it, is that you also can create programs on it using its on screen display
      - OneTimePetes 5y ago
        Yes, you do not. Its a no code solution for beginners. The very same beginner who rule this industry style wise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCBPxxIjr9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCBPxxIjr9U You can program it in simatic manager- which can convert other languages (KOP, AWL (Assembly-equivalent if i recall)) into FUP. Which promotes using it for larger scale projects. Which will not have objects. Not have functions. Just kilometres of ladder logic, by the time the disaster management crew is called.
mbanzi 5y ago
I'm the co-founder of Arduino, we do provide support to industrial customers through our Arduino PRO division https://www.arduino.cc/pro https://www.arduino.cc/pro we work already with a number of companies to implement our Pro products in their solutions
- idealmedtech 5y ago
  I stand corrected! Good to know

luciusdomitius 5y ago

Well, if this means running an antiquated app on a broken OS for business critical operation... I think it puts you in choosing the lesser evil situation. On top of that I have bought 2 Siemens MSD80 ECUs (400+ EUR) and maybe around 20 VDO injectors (at 250 EUR each). The reason is not that I am a huge Siemens fan, but that the quality was and still is appaling.

ishikawa 5y ago
There is no legacy OS as when you start it it simply starts running the program. You just need to program it on a computer, but the software suite is always updated. It is ugly indeed, but not broken.
- OneTimePetes 5y ago
  Its very much broken by design. It has no proper Callstack debugging and thus discourages structured programming - aka use of objects and methods.
  - Redimo 5y ago
    You dont use objects and methods in Logo - that goes literally against what it is. Its a FUP based programming device. I mean, it's been some time since I last held one, but I'd be _very_ surprised if you could "code" on it. The whole idea of it, is that you also can create programs on it using its on screen display
    - OneTimePetes 5y ago
      Yes, you do not. Its a no code solution for beginners. The very same beginner who rule this industry style wise. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCBPxxIjr9U https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCBPxxIjr9U You can program it in simatic manager- which can convert other languages (KOP, AWL (Assembly-equivalent if i recall)) into FUP. Which promotes using it for larger scale projects. Which will not have objects. Not have functions. Just kilometres of ladder logic, by the time the disaster management crew is called.

mbanzi 5y ago

I'm the co-founder of Arduino, we do provide support to industrial customers through our Arduino PRO division https://www.arduino.cc/pro https://www.arduino.cc/pro we work already with a number of companies to implement our Pro products in their solutions

idealmedtech 5y ago
I stand corrected! Good to know