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Just moved to Norway and it's been very eye-opening seeing how easy BankID (their equivalent) makes most things in life. Only problem has been that I'm 5 months

Just moved to Norway and it's been very eye-opening seeing how easy BankID (their equivalent) makes most things in life. Only problem has been that I'm 5 months in and still don't have my ID number so I'm locked out of most aspects of life still (can't even open a bank account).

whizzter 5y ago
Yeah, this is a recurring theme for immigrants in these countries (esp here in Sweden where the immigration agency has been backstopped since the big 2015 refugee influx). You can get a temporary "coordination ID" that healthcare,etc can use to register your journals but Bank's doesn't always let you create accounts without personal ID numbers (and specifically no BankID's so you're locked out of all the modern digital niceties and sometimes requirements). The EU has begun a process of creating intercommunication systems* to allow for digital logins when being in other EU countries, no idea if these systems will ever allow for non-EU identifications (that would help enormously for those countries that has gotten far along). * eIDAS , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS
- nickkell 5y ago
  A friend of mine has moved to Sweden for a one year graduate degree. I'm not sure if he's allowed to get one of these IDs as it's a short-term stay. In the meantime he's in a kind of limbo where it's difficult to do anything
  - whizzter 5y ago
    Nope, for various legacy reasons you kinda need to be an citizen to receive one. Initially the banks issued and used it (hence the name) before the Tax Office adopted it. After a while the unemployment and social security office started adopting it. Those uses were mostly fairly specific to citizen needs but in the past couple of years municipalies started using them for child care (where temporary expats definitely often need to get in touch) and soon after as the providers started looking for commercial clients the usage exploded everywhere in society and now it's starting to become really annoying/hard to live without one.
- ubercore 5y ago
  I’m in Norway in a family reunification visa, so I don’t get the temporary number. They just count on my wife being able to take care of everything. Which she generally can, but I’m still out of luck getting a cell number, or seeing a public doctor, etc. Still happy and thankful to be here, but it’s frustrating. I can’t even order anything online from Norwegian stores.
- yencabulator 5y ago
  Same thing for expats. Lose your local bank account (because nobody wants to serve US residents), you loose the authentication mechanism, and now can't use any e-services, such as the official email.

whizzter 5y ago

Yeah, this is a recurring theme for immigrants in these countries (esp here in Sweden where the immigration agency has been backstopped since the big 2015 refugee influx). You can get a temporary "coordination ID" that healthcare,etc can use to register your journals but Bank's doesn't always let you create accounts without personal ID numbers (and specifically no BankID's so you're locked out of all the modern digital niceties and sometimes requirements). The EU has begun a process of creating intercommunication systems* to allow for digital logins when being in other EU countries, no idea if these systems will ever allow for non-EU identifications (that would help enormously for those countries that has gotten far along). * eIDAS , https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EIDAS

nickkell 5y ago
A friend of mine has moved to Sweden for a one year graduate degree. I'm not sure if he's allowed to get one of these IDs as it's a short-term stay. In the meantime he's in a kind of limbo where it's difficult to do anything
- whizzter 5y ago
  Nope, for various legacy reasons you kinda need to be an citizen to receive one. Initially the banks issued and used it (hence the name) before the Tax Office adopted it. After a while the unemployment and social security office started adopting it. Those uses were mostly fairly specific to citizen needs but in the past couple of years municipalies started using them for child care (where temporary expats definitely often need to get in touch) and soon after as the providers started looking for commercial clients the usage exploded everywhere in society and now it's starting to become really annoying/hard to live without one.
ubercore 5y ago
I’m in Norway in a family reunification visa, so I don’t get the temporary number. They just count on my wife being able to take care of everything. Which she generally can, but I’m still out of luck getting a cell number, or seeing a public doctor, etc. Still happy and thankful to be here, but it’s frustrating. I can’t even order anything online from Norwegian stores.
yencabulator 5y ago
Same thing for expats. Lose your local bank account (because nobody wants to serve US residents), you loose the authentication mechanism, and now can't use any e-services, such as the official email.