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Lol you'd be suprised. Recently one large dutch newspaper published a scathing report published by CapGemini (large consultancy in NL) that researched the secur

Lol you'd be suprised. Recently one large dutch newspaper published a scathing report published by CapGemini (large consultancy in NL) that researched the security setup at the largest telco in NL (KPN). They found that Huawei was able to listen, read and do pretty much anything they'd like with the data. But this was quickly swept beneath the rug. So no, I am pretty confident that the attitude wouldn't be different if either of those state actors seem to be responsible. Here's a link: https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/huawei-kon-alle-gesprekken-van-mobiele-kpn-klanten-afluisteren-inclusief-die-van-politici~bd1aece1/ https://www.volkskrant.nl/nieuws-achtergrond/huawei-kon-alle... You can circumvent the paywall by disabling javascript.

sam_lowry_ 5y ago
Bert Hubert publicized this event a year ago. And he is one of the most influential bloggers in Europe. The problem is muuuuch larger.
- throwaway4good 5y ago
  For every newspaper article that covers actual US espionage, I can show you ten that speculate on the potential of espionage by Huawei and other Chinese companies. I think we in western europe are kind of embarrased by US surveillance and the fact that we cannot do anything about it. That is why we try to ignore it and not talk about it.
  - sam_lowry_ 5y ago
    As an example, Belgium gave up its root CA in favor of Digicert-privided certificates. We could have avoided that.
aj3 5y ago
Archived version: https://archive.md/z3t8O https://archive.md/z3t8O Note that it uncritically accepts report from 2009 which according to company was meant to be risk modeling exercise. Authors outright dismiss everything either KPL or CapGemini has to say themselves and does not even try presenting mitigations that presumably have been put in place, changes in infrastructure since 2009 and other more contemporary reports.

sam_lowry_ 5y ago

Bert Hubert publicized this event a year ago. And he is one of the most influential bloggers in Europe. The problem is muuuuch larger.

throwaway4good 5y ago
For every newspaper article that covers actual US espionage, I can show you ten that speculate on the potential of espionage by Huawei and other Chinese companies. I think we in western europe are kind of embarrased by US surveillance and the fact that we cannot do anything about it. That is why we try to ignore it and not talk about it.
- sam_lowry_ 5y ago
  As an example, Belgium gave up its root CA in favor of Digicert-privided certificates. We could have avoided that.

aj3 5y ago

Archived version: https://archive.md/z3t8O https://archive.md/z3t8O Note that it uncritically accepts report from 2009 which according to company was meant to be risk modeling exercise. Authors outright dismiss everything either KPL or CapGemini has to say themselves and does not even try presenting mitigations that presumably have been put in place, changes in infrastructure since 2009 and other more contemporary reports.