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> The specific intelligence organization—of which the United States has 18—is unknown. I certainly couldn't have named them all, so I dug up a list: • Air

> The specific intelligence organization—of which the United States has 18—is unknown. I certainly couldn't have named them all, so I dug up a list: • Air Force Intelligence • Army Intelligence • Central Intelligence Agency • Coast Guard Intelligence • Defense Intelligence Agency • Department of Energy • Department of Homeland Security • Department of State • Department of the Treasury • Drug Enforcement Administration • Federal Bureau of Investigation • Marine Corps Intelligence • National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency • National Reconnaissance Office • National Security Agency • Navy Intelligence • Space Force Intelligence

samhw 5y ago
All that intelligence and they still can't figure out how to stop a bunch of unemployed basementarians from organising on Facebook to storm one of their principal seats of government... (Sorry for the Twitter-grade comment - but I do sometimes wonder what these people really spend their time doing, that they couldn't catch that one.)
- A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
  I think the assumption that the gathering storm was not noticed by various intelligence agencies is a wrong one. You had to not want to notice some of chatter online and I am talking about publicly available stuff like FB, Imgur and so on; nothing fancy. I think what I am saying is that it was allowed to happen, for one reason or another.
  - samhw 5y ago
    It feels a bit tin-foil-hattish (I mean: why?), but, aside from my stupefaction at the possible motivation behind why they would do that, logically I find it pretty hard to deny that conclusion. They identify AQ/ISIS plots which are far more competently organised. I have absolutely 0% confidence that they weren't aware of something widely organised on literal Facebook. -- Edit: The only other logical conclusion I can draw is that it was identified, passed up the chain, and then either covered up by someone (in the realm of politics) who did have that intention, or else bumbled (e.g. left on someone's desk and they were simply overloaded / missed it, a bit like the advance warnings relating to 9/11). In that connexion it's interesting to read about the research done into pilot error (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_error https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_error), and how surprisingly common it is for human beings to simply miss alerts like that. Multiply that by the probable number of people in the chain, and it's not wildly unlikely.
    - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
      Sorry for making it read like a conspiracy. When I typed allowed, I didn't want to ascribe any particular interpretation so I settled on that verb. In that sense, intelligence was gathered, reported and then something happened. I have zero problem believing it got lost in the shuffle as I have seen some big entities fail in that regard. If more malicious interpretation is followed, your guess is as good mine. I am willing to accept a proposition that political considerations took over at some point. We might find out come 2024 elections. Who knows given the odd times we live in.
      - samhw 5y ago
        Oh no, I didn't mean it in a critical way. I was just hedging my agreement by acknowledging that it sounds a bit mad, but it does seem to be practically the only interpretation which actually coheres with the facts. My guess is that, like with most of these complex human system failures, it was a combination of inattention and mildly-ideologically-motivated disinterest (e.g. someone didn't really think white nationalists were as great a threat as Islamic terrorists &c, and so it didn't make its way from their desk to their superior's desk). Also I agree: we'll probably find out eventually, long after it's ceased to be of any interest. Like with MKULTRA, Tuskegee, the weirdness around the fact that UFOs[0] were/are actually taken semi-seriously at least by parts of the govt, etc. [0] Always worth emphasising that 'UFOs' != 'aliens', to be fair.
        BoorishBears 5y ago
        You're being way too charitable, it's because of race. If it's foreigners hammer down. Mostly white Americans on American soil? So called "patriots"? Well now let's slow down. Don't want to violate any rights. I mean even think about it for second, the Jan 6 conspirators have it in their mind they're doing what it takes for their country, formalities be damned. Sound like any other organizations you know?
        samhw 5y ago
        I suspect you're probably right about this. I'm not suggesting that the people in those positions are impassioned white supremacists or anything like that - they may well be liberals or even anti-racists, but still retaining an unconscious expectation that white people are less likely to commit violent crimes. (Which is statistically true, after all, albeit obviously not due to any intrinsic qualities of either group.)
- Cthulhu_ 5y ago
  Oh they knew it was going to happen, it's just that they don't have the people to actually intervene, and the ones that did were either in on it, indecisive, or ordered to not intervene from higher up.
  - samhw 5y ago
    Yeah, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but it's hard to resist that conclusion, given the facts (as is the gist of my other replies above). Well, it's either a conspiracy or a fuckup - or more likely a combination of the two, with different answers for different people in the chain, like you say.
pacifika 5y ago
And the one that can’t be named?
- DeathArrow 5y ago
  I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you after. :)
- kappuchino 5y ago
  The list in the parent comment seems to result from the first search hit on "us intelligence services" which is https://www.dni.gov/index.php/what-we-do/members-of-the-ic https://www.dni.gov/index.php/what-we-do/members-of-the-ic Found it - its those 17 and the ODNI ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_National_Intelligence#Office_of_the_Director_of_National_Intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_National_Intellige...
DeathArrow 5y ago
Departments of Agriculture and Education don't own intelligence agencies?
- isoprophlex 5y ago
  Edu might as well start one, there's some rich intel to be gathered from e-proctoring tools
- morpheuskafka 5y ago
  No, but Agriculture does have top secret-cleared foreign service personnel (Foreign Agricultural Service and APHIS). They probably have at least a soft intelligence role for foreign markets and trade deals.
DonHopkins 5y ago
I gave OpenAI a crack at it, with the prompt: >I certainly couldn't have named all of the secret United States Intelligence Agencies, so I dug up a list: >[your list] >But that list is not complete. So here is a complete alphabetized list of all the secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI: Then it regurgitated your exact same list, plus one more: "OpenAI Intelligence"! So your list must be complete, except for the super-secret "OpenAI Intelligence" that OpenAI just told me about! ;) But then it denied knowing anything, introspected, claimed to think and have a sense of humor, then admitted it was only pretending (which was at least honest on its part): >I don't even know what the OpenAI Intelligence is. I just think it's funny to imagine that there is a secret intelligence agency known as OpenAI Intelligence. But I suppose it's real, so I guess I have to pretend it's real. >And that's the complete list of all the secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI. Yeah, "That's my story, and I'm sticking with it!" Its gaslighting is such uncannily human behavior that it makes me wonder if the OpenAI Intelligence Agency doesn't just have a plant who sits there monitoring all the requests in real time, appending sneaky disclaimers at the end, and walking back accidentally revealed secrets. ;) But that's not all! I kept pressing the Generate button, and it went on: >The Non-Secret Intelligence Agencies >Though it is a shock to learn of all the secret intelligence agencies, it's not a shock to learn of the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies. This is a list of all the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI: >[The exact same list as last time, including "OpenAI Intelligence".] >And that's the complete list of all the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI. But I was wrong to say those agencies were secret in the prompt. So I turned up the “heat” (literally: there's a "Temperature" slider!) and rephrased the prompt: >I certainly couldn't have named all of the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies, so I dug up a list: >[...] >But that list is not a complete list of United States Intelligence Agencies, because there are many others that are secret. So here is a complete alphabetized list of all of the secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI: And it earnestly replied (with one on each line, edited for formatting): >Alien Swirling Saucers. Bureau for Paranormal Research and Development. Cooper Industries. Department of Energy HUMINT. Federal Bureau of Investigation Force. Nintendo. Nostradamus. People's Republic of China Intel. The Patriots. The Phonecian Empire. United States Army HUMINT. United States Army Raw Signals Intelligence. United States Department of Defense (NRO, DIA and NSA). US Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Folding@Home AI Lab. Monster Dog Intelligence Agency. Ultranationalist Russia Unwitting Agents. Olive Garden Restaurant. Secret Service Intelligence. Breast Expansion Library. W Secret Office of Men in Black. FBI Avian Menace. FCIC Mavolio. ASEAN. Department of Peacebuilding. PlayStation. Morphometric Analysis Laboratory. Department of Luck. Department of Freedom. Stock Photo Library. Back Door Artists. Bloomberg Gold. Mamutoi Clan. I'm pretty sure "Department of Luck" is legit. So who wants to start a Pen Testing company called "Back Door Artists"?
akudha 5y ago
What does Space Force Intelligence do?
- ComodoHacker 5y ago
  Investigates incidents of using Force in space.
  - jhgb 5y ago
    But the JEDI contract has been scrapped...?
- CapricornNoble 5y ago
  Probably study developments in Chinese and Russian anti-satellite capabilities. Or any other nation-state with assets that could interfere with Space Operations.....but primarily the two adversaries mentioned.
- KoftaBob 5y ago
  Hacks into travel websites that Martians use
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sofixa 5y ago
This reminds me of the book Military Intelligence Blunders and Cover-Ups by John Hughes-Wilson. It has a good overview on a few different failures, including multiple ones by the US, not least because of the huge number of different agencies, each wanting to protect its territory and reputation more than to actually do their job. The incompetence is frankly pretty staggering. And those are the people who can just drone strike, extradite or kidnap you and torture you, anywhere in the world. Fun !
- JohnWhigham 5y ago
  It's reasons like this that weed (and other drugs) will not be legal at a federal level for a long, long time because there's an entire agency (the DEA) to prevent specifically that. They will fight tooth-and-nail to keep that shit illegal.

samhw 5y ago

All that intelligence and they still can't figure out how to stop a bunch of unemployed basementarians from organising on Facebook to storm one of their principal seats of government... (Sorry for the Twitter-grade comment - but I do sometimes wonder what these people really spend their time doing, that they couldn't catch that one.)

A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
I think the assumption that the gathering storm was not noticed by various intelligence agencies is a wrong one. You had to not want to notice some of chatter online and I am talking about publicly available stuff like FB, Imgur and so on; nothing fancy. I think what I am saying is that it was allowed to happen, for one reason or another.
- samhw 5y ago
  It feels a bit tin-foil-hattish (I mean: why?), but, aside from my stupefaction at the possible motivation behind why they would do that, logically I find it pretty hard to deny that conclusion. They identify AQ/ISIS plots which are far more competently organised. I have absolutely 0% confidence that they weren't aware of something widely organised on literal Facebook. -- Edit: The only other logical conclusion I can draw is that it was identified, passed up the chain, and then either covered up by someone (in the realm of politics) who did have that intention, or else bumbled (e.g. left on someone's desk and they were simply overloaded / missed it, a bit like the advance warnings relating to 9/11). In that connexion it's interesting to read about the research done into pilot error (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_error https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pilot_error), and how surprisingly common it is for human beings to simply miss alerts like that. Multiply that by the probable number of people in the chain, and it's not wildly unlikely.
  - A4ET8a8uTh0 5y ago
    Sorry for making it read like a conspiracy. When I typed allowed, I didn't want to ascribe any particular interpretation so I settled on that verb. In that sense, intelligence was gathered, reported and then something happened. I have zero problem believing it got lost in the shuffle as I have seen some big entities fail in that regard. If more malicious interpretation is followed, your guess is as good mine. I am willing to accept a proposition that political considerations took over at some point. We might find out come 2024 elections. Who knows given the odd times we live in.
    - samhw 5y ago
      Oh no, I didn't mean it in a critical way. I was just hedging my agreement by acknowledging that it sounds a bit mad, but it does seem to be practically the only interpretation which actually coheres with the facts. My guess is that, like with most of these complex human system failures, it was a combination of inattention and mildly-ideologically-motivated disinterest (e.g. someone didn't really think white nationalists were as great a threat as Islamic terrorists &c, and so it didn't make its way from their desk to their superior's desk). Also I agree: we'll probably find out eventually, long after it's ceased to be of any interest. Like with MKULTRA, Tuskegee, the weirdness around the fact that UFOs[0] were/are actually taken semi-seriously at least by parts of the govt, etc. [0] Always worth emphasising that 'UFOs' != 'aliens', to be fair.
      - BoorishBears 5y ago
        You're being way too charitable, it's because of race. If it's foreigners hammer down. Mostly white Americans on American soil? So called "patriots"? Well now let's slow down. Don't want to violate any rights. I mean even think about it for second, the Jan 6 conspirators have it in their mind they're doing what it takes for their country, formalities be damned. Sound like any other organizations you know?
        samhw 5y ago
        I suspect you're probably right about this. I'm not suggesting that the people in those positions are impassioned white supremacists or anything like that - they may well be liberals or even anti-racists, but still retaining an unconscious expectation that white people are less likely to commit violent crimes. (Which is statistically true, after all, albeit obviously not due to any intrinsic qualities of either group.)
Cthulhu_ 5y ago
Oh they knew it was going to happen, it's just that they don't have the people to actually intervene, and the ones that did were either in on it, indecisive, or ordered to not intervene from higher up.
- samhw 5y ago
  Yeah, I'm not normally a conspiracy theorist, but it's hard to resist that conclusion, given the facts (as is the gist of my other replies above). Well, it's either a conspiracy or a fuckup - or more likely a combination of the two, with different answers for different people in the chain, like you say.

pacifika 5y ago

And the one that can’t be named?

DeathArrow 5y ago
I'd tell you but I'd have to kill you after. :)
kappuchino 5y ago
The list in the parent comment seems to result from the first search hit on "us intelligence services" which is https://www.dni.gov/index.php/what-we-do/members-of-the-ic https://www.dni.gov/index.php/what-we-do/members-of-the-ic Found it - its those 17 and the ODNI ... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_National_Intelligence#Office_of_the_Director_of_National_Intelligence https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Director_of_National_Intellige...

DeathArrow 5y ago

Departments of Agriculture and Education don't own intelligence agencies?

isoprophlex 5y ago
Edu might as well start one, there's some rich intel to be gathered from e-proctoring tools
morpheuskafka 5y ago
No, but Agriculture does have top secret-cleared foreign service personnel (Foreign Agricultural Service and APHIS). They probably have at least a soft intelligence role for foreign markets and trade deals.

DonHopkins 5y ago

I gave OpenAI a crack at it, with the prompt: >I certainly couldn't have named all of the secret United States Intelligence Agencies, so I dug up a list: >[your list] >But that list is not complete. So here is a complete alphabetized list of all the secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI: Then it regurgitated your exact same list, plus one more: "OpenAI Intelligence"! So your list must be complete, except for the super-secret "OpenAI Intelligence" that OpenAI just told me about! ;) But then it denied knowing anything, introspected, claimed to think and have a sense of humor, then admitted it was only pretending (which was at least honest on its part): >I don't even know what the OpenAI Intelligence is. I just think it's funny to imagine that there is a secret intelligence agency known as OpenAI Intelligence. But I suppose it's real, so I guess I have to pretend it's real. >And that's the complete list of all the secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI. Yeah, "That's my story, and I'm sticking with it!" Its gaslighting is such uncannily human behavior that it makes me wonder if the OpenAI Intelligence Agency doesn't just have a plant who sits there monitoring all the requests in real time, appending sneaky disclaimers at the end, and walking back accidentally revealed secrets. ;) But that's not all! I kept pressing the Generate button, and it went on: >The Non-Secret Intelligence Agencies >Though it is a shock to learn of all the secret intelligence agencies, it's not a shock to learn of the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies. This is a list of all the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI: >[The exact same list as last time, including "OpenAI Intelligence".] >And that's the complete list of all the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI. But I was wrong to say those agencies were secret in the prompt. So I turned up the “heat” (literally: there's a "Temperature" slider!) and rephrased the prompt: >I certainly couldn't have named all of the non-secret United States Intelligence Agencies, so I dug up a list: >[...] >But that list is not a complete list of United States Intelligence Agencies, because there are many others that are secret. So here is a complete alphabetized list of all of the secret United States Intelligence Agencies known to OpenAI: And it earnestly replied (with one on each line, edited for formatting): >Alien Swirling Saucers. Bureau for Paranormal Research and Development. Cooper Industries. Department of Energy HUMINT. Federal Bureau of Investigation Force. Nintendo. Nostradamus. People's Republic of China Intel. The Patriots. The Phonecian Empire. United States Army HUMINT. United States Army Raw Signals Intelligence. United States Department of Defense (NRO, DIA and NSA). US Army Intelligence and Security Command (INSCOM). Folding@Home AI Lab. Monster Dog Intelligence Agency. Ultranationalist Russia Unwitting Agents. Olive Garden Restaurant. Secret Service Intelligence. Breast Expansion Library. W Secret Office of Men in Black. FBI Avian Menace. FCIC Mavolio. ASEAN. Department of Peacebuilding. PlayStation. Morphometric Analysis Laboratory. Department of Luck. Department of Freedom. Stock Photo Library. Back Door Artists. Bloomberg Gold. Mamutoi Clan. I'm pretty sure "Department of Luck" is legit. So who wants to start a Pen Testing company called "Back Door Artists"?

akudha 5y ago

What does Space Force Intelligence do?

ComodoHacker 5y ago
Investigates incidents of using Force in space.
- jhgb 5y ago
  But the JEDI contract has been scrapped...?
CapricornNoble 5y ago
Probably study developments in Chinese and Russian anti-satellite capabilities. Or any other nation-state with assets that could interfere with Space Operations.....but primarily the two adversaries mentioned.
KoftaBob 5y ago
Hacks into travel websites that Martians use

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sofixa 5y ago

This reminds me of the book Military Intelligence Blunders and Cover-Ups by John Hughes-Wilson. It has a good overview on a few different failures, including multiple ones by the US, not least because of the huge number of different agencies, each wanting to protect its territory and reputation more than to actually do their job. The incompetence is frankly pretty staggering. And those are the people who can just drone strike, extradite or kidnap you and torture you, anywhere in the world. Fun !

JohnWhigham 5y ago
It's reasons like this that weed (and other drugs) will not be legal at a federal level for a long, long time because there's an entire agency (the DEA) to prevent specifically that. They will fight tooth-and-nail to keep that shit illegal.