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> Seriously, can't we just accept reality and get back to normal. Those that want the vaccine should get it and those that don't shouldn't. No, we can't, becau

> Seriously, can't we just accept reality and get back to normal. Those that want the vaccine should get it and those that don't shouldn't. No, we can't, because in most places in the world people who have nothing to do with COVID can't get into hospitals or be seen by doctors, when there is an infection wave, which at the moment is fueled by the unvaccinated. Deers won't take up hospital beds, but the unvaccinated will continue to strain health care systems.

gspr 5y ago
I personally know one person who's more than a year late for a hospital procedure (for a non-life threatening condition obviously) due to covid. Their life is partly on hold. And I personally had to worry every single time my mom went for chemotherapy this summer – what if something went wrong and the hospital didn't react properly due to short-staffing from dealing w covid patients? The antivaxxers can go to hell. They're doing real tangible harm. The vaccine does real, tangible good. There is nothing more to the story. Get the fucking vaccine.
- incrudible 5y ago
  The vaccines also do real, tangible harm. Even if the chances are quite low, so are the chances of severe COVID for young and healthy individuals, especially children. If this was not an almost unspeakable truth, if it had not become politicized, if there was not this massive propaganda campaign to blame the unvaccinated for the failure of many aspects of the health care system, if there was any reason left to trust the regulatory bodies, then maybe, just maybe, some of the people who now refuse the vaccine against better judgement would not be clogging up hospital beds. Get off your high horse.
- roenxi 5y ago
  It has been around 18 months now. If the hospitals haven't started to adjust to the higher patient counts then that isn't the fault of the antivaxers. Certainly it is wise to get vaccinated, but blame where blame is due - the people responsible for any problems right now are the hospital planners.
  - gspr 5y ago
    How fast do you imagine that doctors and nurses can be trained? And it's not like they can just be recruited from elsewhere – demand is high everywhere.
encryptluks2 5y ago
One explanation for hospitals filling up is that there was a major fear campaign happening in the media, and many people use the ER as a doctors office. Many doctors office at the beginning of COVID were refusing to see patients that exhibiting any cold like symptoms, so people had no choice but to go to the ER, which undoubtedly would have increased the spread. 2nd, there is a mental component to sickness that is apparent when looking at placebo effects in studies. If a patient is deathly afraid of COVID and catches COVID, they can in fact worsen their symptoms and sickness based on that alone. If media is convincing people that COVID-19 is incredibly deadly, it can become deadlier than if you are not someone who worried a lot. This is nothing new as there has always been a component of care for cancer patients that involved mental health. Watch Patch Adams to see what I'm talking about.
- taylodl 5y ago
  ICUs around the world at full capacity aren't a result of the media or people having negative thoughts about Covid.
- dessant 5y ago
  I think it would be better to go and get vaccinated now, instead of having a list of talking points with bullshit theories to comfort and absolve yourself of all responsibility.
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gspr 5y ago

I personally know one person who's more than a year late for a hospital procedure (for a non-life threatening condition obviously) due to covid. Their life is partly on hold. And I personally had to worry every single time my mom went for chemotherapy this summer – what if something went wrong and the hospital didn't react properly due to short-staffing from dealing w covid patients? The antivaxxers can go to hell. They're doing real tangible harm. The vaccine does real, tangible good. There is nothing more to the story. Get the fucking vaccine.

incrudible 5y ago
The vaccines also do real, tangible harm. Even if the chances are quite low, so are the chances of severe COVID for young and healthy individuals, especially children. If this was not an almost unspeakable truth, if it had not become politicized, if there was not this massive propaganda campaign to blame the unvaccinated for the failure of many aspects of the health care system, if there was any reason left to trust the regulatory bodies, then maybe, just maybe, some of the people who now refuse the vaccine against better judgement would not be clogging up hospital beds. Get off your high horse.
roenxi 5y ago
It has been around 18 months now. If the hospitals haven't started to adjust to the higher patient counts then that isn't the fault of the antivaxers. Certainly it is wise to get vaccinated, but blame where blame is due - the people responsible for any problems right now are the hospital planners.
- gspr 5y ago
  How fast do you imagine that doctors and nurses can be trained? And it's not like they can just be recruited from elsewhere – demand is high everywhere.

encryptluks2 5y ago

One explanation for hospitals filling up is that there was a major fear campaign happening in the media, and many people use the ER as a doctors office. Many doctors office at the beginning of COVID were refusing to see patients that exhibiting any cold like symptoms, so people had no choice but to go to the ER, which undoubtedly would have increased the spread. 2nd, there is a mental component to sickness that is apparent when looking at placebo effects in studies. If a patient is deathly afraid of COVID and catches COVID, they can in fact worsen their symptoms and sickness based on that alone. If media is convincing people that COVID-19 is incredibly deadly, it can become deadlier than if you are not someone who worried a lot. This is nothing new as there has always been a component of care for cancer patients that involved mental health. Watch Patch Adams to see what I'm talking about.

taylodl 5y ago
ICUs around the world at full capacity aren't a result of the media or people having negative thoughts about Covid.
dessant 5y ago
I think it would be better to go and get vaccinated now, instead of having a list of talking points with bullshit theories to comfort and absolve yourself of all responsibility.
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