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> Public schools work. You can’t deny that. Per the GP, in their area "the high school math and reading proficiency rate are 8% and 44% respectively, while the

> Public schools work. You can’t deny that. Per the GP, in their area "the high school math and reading proficiency rate are 8% and 44% respectively, while the graduation rate is >95%". That sounds like an absolute denial that public schools are working, unless your definition of a working school includes ones that don't teach the majority to read and comprehend mathematics at an adult level. Spending on schools is higher than it's ever been, and the results are flat-lining - and have been for decades. See [0]. Perhaps the issue is something that throwing money at them won't fix? Perhaps it behooves us to look deeper and see if the education system is performing what we need it to do. [0]: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/mar/02/dave-brat/brat-us-school-spending-375-percent-over-30-years-/ https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2015/mar/02/dave-brat/...

danaris 5y ago
Some public schools that we have right now aren't working well (ie, the implementation is a problem, not the idea), because we have, for decades, been siphoning money away from them to fund private schools, refusing to provide funding for necessary materials (textbooks, classroom supplies, building maintenance, desks & chairs that don't break when you sit in them), underpaying and under-hiring teachers so that many people who want to go into teaching feel that they can't because it's unaffordable... Just "throwing money at them" isn't going to work, no, because the money needs to go to the right places. But there are so many places where it's pretty clear that extra money will make a huge difference that arguing that schools are overfunded—or that "public schools don't work"—is just ludicrous.
- endominus 5y ago
  >we have, for decades, been siphoning money away from them to fund private schools The link I provided shows a 375% increase in funding to public schools between 1970-2010, adjusted for inflation. Spending rose from $2.9 billion for ~46 million students (per https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98018/#chap2a https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98018/#chap2a) to $73.3 billion for ~50 million students - per-student spending actually rose, even after adjusting for inflation. Where are you getting the idea that money is being siphoned away from public schools to fund private schools?

danaris 5y ago

Some public schools that we have right now aren't working well (ie, the implementation is a problem, not the idea), because we have, for decades, been siphoning money away from them to fund private schools, refusing to provide funding for necessary materials (textbooks, classroom supplies, building maintenance, desks & chairs that don't break when you sit in them), underpaying and under-hiring teachers so that many people who want to go into teaching feel that they can't because it's unaffordable... Just "throwing money at them" isn't going to work, no, because the money needs to go to the right places. But there are so many places where it's pretty clear that extra money will make a huge difference that arguing that schools are overfunded—or that "public schools don't work"—is just ludicrous.

endominus 5y ago
>we have, for decades, been siphoning money away from them to fund private schools The link I provided shows a 375% increase in funding to public schools between 1970-2010, adjusted for inflation. Spending rose from $2.9 billion for ~46 million students (per https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98018/#chap2a https://nces.ed.gov/pubs98/98018/#chap2a) to $73.3 billion for ~50 million students - per-student spending actually rose, even after adjusting for inflation. Where are you getting the idea that money is being siphoned away from public schools to fund private schools?