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> First, you can make legitimate claims as to why you should own a gun. That’s not the case for driving drunk. Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, jus

> First, you can make legitimate claims as to why you should own a gun. That’s not the case for driving drunk. Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, just need to make the case that preventative measures cause more trouble than they're worth. We had one guy try to make a shoe bomb, and now every commercial passenger has to take shoes off to fly on a plane. It's reasonable to ask where the line is, isn't it? > Second, as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible. "Reasonably" and "feasible" are subjective terms.

FridayoLeary 5y ago
>Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, just need to make the case that preventative measures cause more trouble than they're worth. Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth.
azinman2 5y ago
Clearly you can’t universally say that. Many preventative regulations have solved or drastically improved all kinds of situations. Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags, etc. Yes reasonable is a subjective term, which is exactly why I used it. Feasible is less subjective. Society always has to make trade offs over time in cost, freedom, etc. Which is to say taking an extreme position will lead to an extreme society. That’s not what we currently live in, nor would it be what most people want.
- Brendinooo 5y ago
  > Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags A crash test result and airbags make no difference in how I operate the vehicle. The only issue it causes is a higher price of the vehicle, but most people are fine with that tradeoff. Seatbelts are a better example for your argument, but it's simple and mature tech that's easy and fast to operate. I have never once been unable to operate my car because something went wrong with the seatbelt. If breathalyzers are as foolproof as seatbelts, do not reduce the privacy of people who have done nothing wrong, and don't add too much to the cost of the vehicle (both for delivery and maintenance) then I'd welcome them.
  - FridayoLeary 5y ago
    i would say even seatbelt warning beeps is taking it too far. Ideally it should deactivate (as some actually do) after a couple of minutes when it's obvious you don't care. The proposed technology is orders of degrees more complicated and therefore more fallible than a humble seatbelt.

FridayoLeary 5y ago

>Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, just need to make the case that preventative measures cause more trouble than they're worth. Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth.

azinman2 5y ago

Clearly you can’t universally say that. Many preventative regulations have solved or drastically improved all kinds of situations. Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags, etc. Yes reasonable is a subjective term, which is exactly why I used it. Feasible is less subjective. Society always has to make trade offs over time in cost, freedom, etc. Which is to say taking an extreme position will lead to an extreme society. That’s not what we currently live in, nor would it be what most people want.

Brendinooo 5y ago
> Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags A crash test result and airbags make no difference in how I operate the vehicle. The only issue it causes is a higher price of the vehicle, but most people are fine with that tradeoff. Seatbelts are a better example for your argument, but it's simple and mature tech that's easy and fast to operate. I have never once been unable to operate my car because something went wrong with the seatbelt. If breathalyzers are as foolproof as seatbelts, do not reduce the privacy of people who have done nothing wrong, and don't add too much to the cost of the vehicle (both for delivery and maintenance) then I'd welcome them.
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  i would say even seatbelt warning beeps is taking it too far. Ideally it should deactivate (as some actually do) after a couple of minutes when it's obvious you don't care. The proposed technology is orders of degrees more complicated and therefore more fallible than a humble seatbelt.