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This seems one sided. Why not hide the “like” count too and make both like and dislike counts visible only to the creators while using the individual action of

by AnonC 5y ago

This seems one sided. Why not hide the “like” count too and make both like and dislike counts visible only to the creators while using the individual action of each viewer for recommendations? I don’t understand why a dislike brigade could be harmful but a like brigade couldn’t be (like propaganda and/or misinformation). They seem to have considered only the impact on creators, who are a small percentage of the population, and not the impact on susceptible viewers, who are much larger in number.

mrpopo 5y ago
Exactly. Hiding the like + dislike count would actually have an interesting impact on the experience, where you can choose to like/dislike based on your own opinion only. The result will be more relevant for algorithms and more meaningful for creators who will receive honest feedback.
kristopolous 5y ago
It's like they took the advice from the book "Nudge" a little too seriously. Also, this is a great example of why using that advice doesn't work. It presumes known intent, prescriptive purpose, characterizable frame of mind, homogeneity of these attributes, and that you have perfect, infinite information without any externalities. Classic silicon valley-brain and a great example of how these approaches are limiting and self defeating with the same smell every time
defaultname 5y ago
> I don’t understand why a dislike brigade could be harmful but a like brigade couldn’t be (like propaganda and/or misinformation). Likes or dislikes in isolation are pretty coarse metrics. Is it small, medium, big, or a huge number? Outside of that, it doesn't really matter. The ratio, however, can be hugely misleading, and is most certainly one of the factors leading to ignorance bubbles. I just replied to another comment that held this ratio as a demonstration of "popular opinion", and this is a very common assumption. It isn't popular opinion. It is the usually tiny, self-selecting group of individuals who seek out this information and then purposefully engage with it. The more engaged a bubble is, the more outsized this ratio will be. Vaccination content is a great example. A heavy majority of the public is pro-vaccination, pro-mandates, pro-masking, etc. But they do it and go on with their life. They aren't watching videos and clicking little arrows hoping to change the world. Anti-vax people spend their days filling Facebook feeds, sharing memes, and clicking up and down arrows. So videos for the former tend to have terrible ratios, while the latter have great ratios. Despite being fringe beliefs. But then people come out of it deluded into thinking it's popular sentiment, and they're really just the "silent majority", etc.

by AnonC 5y ago

mrpopo 5y ago

Exactly. Hiding the like + dislike count would actually have an interesting impact on the experience, where you can choose to like/dislike based on your own opinion only. The result will be more relevant for algorithms and more meaningful for creators who will receive honest feedback.

kristopolous 5y ago

It's like they took the advice from the book "Nudge" a little too seriously. Also, this is a great example of why using that advice doesn't work. It presumes known intent, prescriptive purpose, characterizable frame of mind, homogeneity of these attributes, and that you have perfect, infinite information without any externalities. Classic silicon valley-brain and a great example of how these approaches are limiting and self defeating with the same smell every time

defaultname 5y ago

> I don’t understand why a dislike brigade could be harmful but a like brigade couldn’t be (like propaganda and/or misinformation). Likes or dislikes in isolation are pretty coarse metrics. Is it small, medium, big, or a huge number? Outside of that, it doesn't really matter. The ratio, however, can be hugely misleading, and is most certainly one of the factors leading to ignorance bubbles. I just replied to another comment that held this ratio as a demonstration of "popular opinion", and this is a very common assumption. It isn't popular opinion. It is the usually tiny, self-selecting group of individuals who seek out this information and then purposefully engage with it. The more engaged a bubble is, the more outsized this ratio will be. Vaccination content is a great example. A heavy majority of the public is pro-vaccination, pro-mandates, pro-masking, etc. But they do it and go on with their life. They aren't watching videos and clicking little arrows hoping to change the world. Anti-vax people spend their days filling Facebook feeds, sharing memes, and clicking up and down arrows. So videos for the former tend to have terrible ratios, while the latter have great ratios. Despite being fringe beliefs. But then people come out of it deluded into thinking it's popular sentiment, and they're really just the "silent majority", etc.