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Guns cause a lot of deaths too. And it's not like gun control will be as majorly intrusive as this proposed technology will be.

azinman2 5y ago
I don’t understand what your point is. First, you can make legitimate claims as to why you should own a gun. That’s not the case for driving drunk. Second, as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible.
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  >as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible. Only up to a point. We don't go round putting people in bubble wrap to keep them safe. We don't expect the government to station a policeman inside every house. But the lack of gun control in the USA is ludicrous as demonstrated by every mass shooting. Back to cars, why not limit every car out there to 40 miles per hour? fatality rates would plummet.
- gameswithgo 5y ago
  id rather have drunk people around than gun enthusiasts
- tssva 5y ago
  "Second, as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible." The last 18 months have shown that a lot of people disagree with that.
- shukantpal 5y ago
  You can prevent deaths reasonably feasible by government sponsored surveillance. I'm not sure that's the world I want to live in, however.
- rad_gruchalski 5y ago
  Focus on heart disease and opioid problems. Can be done at the same time. For example: require an AI system at a drive through which makes a decision if you should be allowed to buy that quarter pounder with nacho cheese sause and half a gallon of Coca Cola based on your silhouette. Or have a scale in the seat of the car connecting to the drive through till…
  - vageli 5y ago
    Your joke is someone's dream.
- Brendinooo 5y ago
  > First, you can make legitimate claims as to why you should own a gun. That’s not the case for driving drunk. Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, just need to make the case that preventative measures cause more trouble than they're worth. We had one guy try to make a shoe bomb, and now every commercial passenger has to take shoes off to fly on a plane. It's reasonable to ask where the line is, isn't it? > Second, as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible. "Reasonably" and "feasible" are subjective terms.
  - FridayoLeary 5y ago
    >Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, just need to make the case that preventative measures cause more trouble than they're worth. Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth.
  - azinman2 5y ago
    Clearly you can’t universally say that. Many preventative regulations have solved or drastically improved all kinds of situations. Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags, etc. Yes reasonable is a subjective term, which is exactly why I used it. Feasible is less subjective. Society always has to make trade offs over time in cost, freedom, etc. Which is to say taking an extreme position will lead to an extreme society. That’s not what we currently live in, nor would it be what most people want.
    - Brendinooo 5y ago
      > Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags A crash test result and airbags make no difference in how I operate the vehicle. The only issue it causes is a higher price of the vehicle, but most people are fine with that tradeoff. Seatbelts are a better example for your argument, but it's simple and mature tech that's easy and fast to operate. I have never once been unable to operate my car because something went wrong with the seatbelt. If breathalyzers are as foolproof as seatbelts, do not reduce the privacy of people who have done nothing wrong, and don't add too much to the cost of the vehicle (both for delivery and maintenance) then I'd welcome them.
frugalmail 5y ago
ffs call an uber instead. You have zero rationale for driing drunk. This straw man is BS.

azinman2 5y ago

I don’t understand what your point is. First, you can make legitimate claims as to why you should own a gun. That’s not the case for driving drunk. Second, as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible.

FridayoLeary 5y ago
>as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible. Only up to a point. We don't go round putting people in bubble wrap to keep them safe. We don't expect the government to station a policeman inside every house. But the lack of gun control in the USA is ludicrous as demonstrated by every mass shooting. Back to cars, why not limit every car out there to 40 miles per hour? fatality rates would plummet.
gameswithgo 5y ago
id rather have drunk people around than gun enthusiasts
tssva 5y ago
"Second, as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible." The last 18 months have shown that a lot of people disagree with that.
shukantpal 5y ago
You can prevent deaths reasonably feasible by government sponsored surveillance. I'm not sure that's the world I want to live in, however.
rad_gruchalski 5y ago
Focus on heart disease and opioid problems. Can be done at the same time. For example: require an AI system at a drive through which makes a decision if you should be allowed to buy that quarter pounder with nacho cheese sause and half a gallon of Coca Cola based on your silhouette. Or have a scale in the seat of the car connecting to the drive through till…
- vageli 5y ago
  Your joke is someone's dream.
Brendinooo 5y ago
> First, you can make legitimate claims as to why you should own a gun. That’s not the case for driving drunk. Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, just need to make the case that preventative measures cause more trouble than they're worth. We had one guy try to make a shoe bomb, and now every commercial passenger has to take shoes off to fly on a plane. It's reasonable to ask where the line is, isn't it? > Second, as a society we should be minimizing preventable deaths where reasonably feasible. "Reasonably" and "feasible" are subjective terms.
- FridayoLeary 5y ago
  >Don't need to make a case for driving drunk, just need to make the case that preventative measures cause more trouble than they're worth. Thank you. You took the words out of my mouth.
- azinman2 5y ago
  Clearly you can’t universally say that. Many preventative regulations have solved or drastically improved all kinds of situations. Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags, etc. Yes reasonable is a subjective term, which is exactly why I used it. Feasible is less subjective. Society always has to make trade offs over time in cost, freedom, etc. Which is to say taking an extreme position will lead to an extreme society. That’s not what we currently live in, nor would it be what most people want.
  - Brendinooo 5y ago
    > Car in particular have seen them in terms of minimum crash test results, seatbelts, airbags A crash test result and airbags make no difference in how I operate the vehicle. The only issue it causes is a higher price of the vehicle, but most people are fine with that tradeoff. Seatbelts are a better example for your argument, but it's simple and mature tech that's easy and fast to operate. I have never once been unable to operate my car because something went wrong with the seatbelt. If breathalyzers are as foolproof as seatbelts, do not reduce the privacy of people who have done nothing wrong, and don't add too much to the cost of the vehicle (both for delivery and maintenance) then I'd welcome them.

frugalmail 5y ago

ffs call an uber instead. You have zero rationale for driing drunk. This straw man is BS.