Yeah, my point was that "matured" and "wisdom" are value-laden words and that's not necessarily the connotation I wanted to convey. Ideally I would get excited

Yeah, my point was that "matured" and "wisdom" are value-laden words and that's not necessarily the connotation I wanted to convey. Ideally I would get excited about both the problem and the tools. I completely understand the point you're trying to make about the ecosystem though.