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We used JAMF at my last place of business, and it would occasionally kill apps with a 15 minute warning. Normally this was fine, but it really sucked to get JAM

We used JAMF at my last place of business, and it would occasionally kill apps with a 15 minute warning. Normally this was fine, but it really sucked to get JAMFed (as it came to be called) in the middle of a presentation. At my current company, we use something that destroys CPU and battery (unused 2019 high end MBP hangs sporadically for tens of seconds on any file system syscall, computer gets uncomfortably hot, battery lasts ~1hour on a full charge—happens to everyone I’ve talked to). Not sure what it’s called, but this falcond process always seems to be the culprit. I know nothing about MDM, but I would love it if Apple Business Essentials would be a viable alternative (hard to imagine Apple shipping such miserable software, anyway).

FiloSottile 5y ago
falcond is CrowdStrike’s endpoint antivirus thingy, not device management. As usual, antivirus is an exercise in trading performance for increased attack surface (and compliance).
- stefan_ 5y ago
  As history shows, antivirus is an exercise in trading performance and increased attack surface for checking a box.
xyzzy_plugh 5y ago
The issues you experienced are squarely on the shoulders of your Jamf admins. It doesn't have to suck, but it usually does because the people put in charge of it are incompetent, or at best, semi-competent. Most self-respecting engineers run fast from this sort of thing.
- tehalex 5y ago
  Having worked with JAMF's API... I don't like it, but yeah, this is not normal and something as to how your company is using JAMF. The people in charge of this are usually more of the IT than 'self respecting engineers'
rootusrootus 5y ago
Some piece of company malware on my MBP causes it to panic every two or three days. Before that it got mad fan disease and had to be wiped to get it back to 'normal'. I have eight icons in the menu bar for installed malware/spyware/whatever on my company owned laptop. That's just the stuff that has an icon, I bet there's more (including JAMF, for sure). It's ridiculous.
renton_wal 5y ago
> use something that destroys CPU and battery Before you even mentioned falcond, I immediately knew that it was clownstrike
square_usual 5y ago
I moved from a company that gave us fresh off the store MacBooks to one that managed them using jamf and a host of other antiviruses and compliance software, and I tell this to all of my colleagues: the experience you're having with your MacBooks - the poor performance, stuttering and random beachballs aren't representative of what MacBooks are actually like.

FiloSottile 5y ago

falcond is CrowdStrike’s endpoint antivirus thingy, not device management. As usual, antivirus is an exercise in trading performance for increased attack surface (and compliance).

stefan_ 5y ago
As history shows, antivirus is an exercise in trading performance and increased attack surface for checking a box.

xyzzy_plugh 5y ago

The issues you experienced are squarely on the shoulders of your Jamf admins. It doesn't have to suck, but it usually does because the people put in charge of it are incompetent, or at best, semi-competent. Most self-respecting engineers run fast from this sort of thing.

tehalex 5y ago
Having worked with JAMF's API... I don't like it, but yeah, this is not normal and something as to how your company is using JAMF. The people in charge of this are usually more of the IT than 'self respecting engineers'

rootusrootus 5y ago

Some piece of company malware on my MBP causes it to panic every two or three days. Before that it got mad fan disease and had to be wiped to get it back to 'normal'. I have eight icons in the menu bar for installed malware/spyware/whatever on my company owned laptop. That's just the stuff that has an icon, I bet there's more (including JAMF, for sure). It's ridiculous.

renton_wal 5y ago

> use something that destroys CPU and battery Before you even mentioned falcond, I immediately knew that it was clownstrike

square_usual 5y ago

I moved from a company that gave us fresh off the store MacBooks to one that managed them using jamf and a host of other antiviruses and compliance software, and I tell this to all of my colleagues: the experience you're having with your MacBooks - the poor performance, stuttering and random beachballs aren't representative of what MacBooks are actually like.