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What are the implications of this?

PicassoCTs 5y ago
China will choose internal stability over external connections. Internal investors (party officials, chineses companies and private investors will receive partial reparations for their lost investments - or goods (flats etc.) International Investors like BlackRock will take a massive bath.
chunghuaming 5y ago
GDP decline of 2-5%, recession: Chinese real estate is 70% of household wealth, and 30% of GDP. Likely these #s are worse, since the government obfuscates data. Home sales is already down 30% y/y. Pressure on tech and other industries in China: Xi Jing Ping will officially be a dictator, come party congress 2022. Tech and real estate are industries owned by the oligarchs of Shanghai faction, which is against Xi Jing Ping. Even more societal lockdowns: In the last few months, there were silencing of a #metoo incident, scrubbing of a famous actress from internet, removing discussions of evergrande bankruptcy, and disappearing/reapperance of alibaba's ceo. Look for more of these. No war attempt on Taiwan in the near future: between real estate collapse, economic decline, coal shortage, food shortage, inflation, huge debts, and covid waves/lockdowns, CCP won't have any appetite. Suicidal war attempt on Taiwan: CCP may get desperate when riots broke out, or need a victory to focus its citizen's outrage elsewhere. Then they'll face the combined forces of western countries, and will have to suffer through economic sanctions.
- randomopining 5y ago
  Even if they take Taiwan, won’t they be completely shut out of world markets?
  - loeg 5y ago
    By what mechanism? Most of the world more or less officially recognizes China's claim on Taiwan. I think it would be horrifically sad and disappointing, but more or less ignored, like Hong Kong.
    - colinmhayes 5y ago
      Biden has said he'd go to war to protect Taiwan. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/28/1048513474/biden-us-taiwan-china https://www.npr.org/2021/10/28/1048513474/biden-us-taiwan-ch... Probably posturing, but hard to imagine he wouldn't at least impose sanctions.

China will choose internal stability over external connections. Internal investors (party officials, chineses companies and private investors will receive partial reparations for their lost investments - or goods (flats etc.) International Investors like BlackRock will take a massive bath.

chunghuaming 5y ago

GDP decline of 2-5%, recession: Chinese real estate is 70% of household wealth, and 30% of GDP. Likely these #s are worse, since the government obfuscates data. Home sales is already down 30% y/y. Pressure on tech and other industries in China: Xi Jing Ping will officially be a dictator, come party congress 2022. Tech and real estate are industries owned by the oligarchs of Shanghai faction, which is against Xi Jing Ping. Even more societal lockdowns: In the last few months, there were silencing of a #metoo incident, scrubbing of a famous actress from internet, removing discussions of evergrande bankruptcy, and disappearing/reapperance of alibaba's ceo. Look for more of these. No war attempt on Taiwan in the near future: between real estate collapse, economic decline, coal shortage, food shortage, inflation, huge debts, and covid waves/lockdowns, CCP won't have any appetite. Suicidal war attempt on Taiwan: CCP may get desperate when riots broke out, or need a victory to focus its citizen's outrage elsewhere. Then they'll face the combined forces of western countries, and will have to suffer through economic sanctions.

randomopining 5y ago
Even if they take Taiwan, won’t they be completely shut out of world markets?
- loeg 5y ago
  By what mechanism? Most of the world more or less officially recognizes China's claim on Taiwan. I think it would be horrifically sad and disappointing, but more or less ignored, like Hong Kong.
  - colinmhayes 5y ago
    Biden has said he'd go to war to protect Taiwan. https://www.npr.org/2021/10/28/1048513474/biden-us-taiwan-china https://www.npr.org/2021/10/28/1048513474/biden-us-taiwan-ch... Probably posturing, but hard to imagine he wouldn't at least impose sanctions.