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> Thirty-one percent of voters ages 18 to 24 supported Trump in November, according to exit polls, down from 37 percent in 2016. From NBC. Sure, 37% isn't "mo

> Thirty-one percent of voters ages 18 to 24 supported Trump in November, according to exit polls, down from 37 percent in 2016. From NBC. Sure, 37% isn't "most", but I think it's a fair guess that if 37% supported Trump, well under 50% of the total are socialists.

tata71 5y ago
Many misunderstood Trump voters. Some of them genuinely want to see rock-bottom so we'd start caring about government, as a people, again.
babypuncher 5y ago
You keep saying 37% as if that is the most relevant number when it's not. the 31% from last year is both more indicative of recent trends and cuts deeper into the Gen Z demographic. I think a good chunk of people who were 18-24 in 2016 would still be considered Millennials.
- handrous 5y ago
  OK, but are you arguing against the substance of it? 2020, that age range would have all been Gen Z, I'm pretty sure. Still 31%. Do you think the breakdown of Gen Z political opinions, ordered by prominence, is "socialist (51+%) -> Trump supporter (~31%) -> everything else (less than 18%)"? My educated guess would be you could flip those "socialist" and "everything else" numbers and that'd be way closer to correct—which is still a huge increase over other generations, if it's even as high as 18%! FWIW if we had a viable, actual socialist party, I'd vote & even campaign for them. But I think you're way wrong about how far things are shifting, with Gen Z, unfortunately. I do hope I'm the one who's wrong, but I doubt it. I'm a millennial, but if I look at my social group (mostly gen-z through gen-x) it's nearly all socialists and left- or off-the-spectrum-anarchists[EDIT: probably a couple would identify, specifically, as left-libertarian, now that I think about it, which is very unlike right-libertarian—at least one of those might pointedly insist on just calling the left-libertarian position "liberal"]. That's my bubble, though, and doesn't reflect the proportions for the rest of the country. [EDIT] Maybe we have different thresholds or definitions of "socialist"? I'd believe that over half of Gen Z wants a "public option" for healthcare, and maybe even M4A, for instance. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some Gen Z Trumpers want those (Trump did, oddly enough, give some lip-service to reform in that direction in his campaigns, though not to M4A)
  - babypuncher 5y ago
    I think it makes a difference in perception, because 31% is less than a third. Left-leaning Gen-Z voters essentially form a super-majority in their demographic.
jjk166 5y ago
In 2016, the oldest gen Zers were turning 18. Everyone 19-24 in that age range would have been millennials. Also many Trump supporters are libertarians.

tata71 5y ago

Many misunderstood Trump voters. Some of them genuinely want to see rock-bottom so we'd start caring about government, as a people, again.

babypuncher 5y ago

You keep saying 37% as if that is the most relevant number when it's not. the 31% from last year is both more indicative of recent trends and cuts deeper into the Gen Z demographic. I think a good chunk of people who were 18-24 in 2016 would still be considered Millennials.

handrous 5y ago
OK, but are you arguing against the substance of it? 2020, that age range would have all been Gen Z, I'm pretty sure. Still 31%. Do you think the breakdown of Gen Z political opinions, ordered by prominence, is "socialist (51+%) -> Trump supporter (~31%) -> everything else (less than 18%)"? My educated guess would be you could flip those "socialist" and "everything else" numbers and that'd be way closer to correct—which is still a huge increase over other generations, if it's even as high as 18%! FWIW if we had a viable, actual socialist party, I'd vote & even campaign for them. But I think you're way wrong about how far things are shifting, with Gen Z, unfortunately. I do hope I'm the one who's wrong, but I doubt it. I'm a millennial, but if I look at my social group (mostly gen-z through gen-x) it's nearly all socialists and left- or off-the-spectrum-anarchists[EDIT: probably a couple would identify, specifically, as left-libertarian, now that I think about it, which is very unlike right-libertarian—at least one of those might pointedly insist on just calling the left-libertarian position "liberal"]. That's my bubble, though, and doesn't reflect the proportions for the rest of the country. [EDIT] Maybe we have different thresholds or definitions of "socialist"? I'd believe that over half of Gen Z wants a "public option" for healthcare, and maybe even M4A, for instance. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some Gen Z Trumpers want those (Trump did, oddly enough, give some lip-service to reform in that direction in his campaigns, though not to M4A)
- babypuncher 5y ago
  I think it makes a difference in perception, because 31% is less than a third. Left-leaning Gen-Z voters essentially form a super-majority in their demographic.

jjk166 5y ago

In 2016, the oldest gen Zers were turning 18. Everyone 19-24 in that age range would have been millennials. Also many Trump supporters are libertarians.