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I doubt there exists a 4.0 gpa standford cs grad that is incapable of coding. It is more than just branding. Standford is harder and you learn more skills that

I doubt there exists a 4.0 gpa standford cs grad that is incapable of coding. It is more than just branding. Standford is harder and you learn more skills that a run of the mill state school. MIT moreso, no one is skating under the radar at MIT

mywittyname 5y ago
I can't imagine someone getting a 4.0 at a crappy state school not being able to code without cheating.
mprovost 5y ago
So would you be comfortable hiring a 4.0 grad from Stanford/MIT without doing a coding interview? Just based on their transcript. Does anyone do this anymore?
- gmadsen 5y ago
  I would be comfortable skipping the standard algo/DS leetcode style coding interview questions. I'd probably want to see something more open ended, like a system arch/design if possible
danaris 5y ago
Skating under the radar? Probably not. Paying someone else the equivalent of a (low) full-time salary to take your courses for you? Probably.
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nowherebeen 5y ago
> standford > Standford If you can't even spell it... I don't think you should assume anything about Stanford...
- gmadsen 5y ago
  I suppose some people care more than others about spelling, I wrote this comment in a few seconds and didn't double check for errors. My comment wasn't so much assumptions as it was my reinforced opinion over the last decade talking to students and faculty
SomeCallMeTim 5y ago
> no one is skating under the radar at MIT Funny you should say that. A past CEO I worked with was a CS grad from MIT. He would laugh about the fact that "he could code, but no one would want to use the code he wrote." I've also heard another anecdote about an MIT grad who had excellent grades but who somehow couldn't get any work done on a relatively straightforward project. So yeah, even MIT graduates CS students who aren't the best at code. CS being "Computer Science" means they need to understand the theory, but even an MIT grad isn't guaranteed to be capable and talented in writing code in practice. If there were a "software engineering" major (or certification?) which, among other things, required the student to write nontrivial code, and it was judged by experts, including using subjective design criteria, then maybe we could start using that degree or certification to prove that, at least at the time of the tests, that person could code. But the devil is in the details even then...

mywittyname 5y ago

I can't imagine someone getting a 4.0 at a crappy state school not being able to code without cheating.

mprovost 5y ago

So would you be comfortable hiring a 4.0 grad from Stanford/MIT without doing a coding interview? Just based on their transcript. Does anyone do this anymore?

gmadsen 5y ago
I would be comfortable skipping the standard algo/DS leetcode style coding interview questions. I'd probably want to see something more open ended, like a system arch/design if possible

danaris 5y ago

Skating under the radar? Probably not. Paying someone else the equivalent of a (low) full-time salary to take your courses for you? Probably.

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nowherebeen 5y ago

> standford > Standford If you can't even spell it... I don't think you should assume anything about Stanford...

gmadsen 5y ago
I suppose some people care more than others about spelling, I wrote this comment in a few seconds and didn't double check for errors. My comment wasn't so much assumptions as it was my reinforced opinion over the last decade talking to students and faculty

SomeCallMeTim 5y ago

> no one is skating under the radar at MIT Funny you should say that. A past CEO I worked with was a CS grad from MIT. He would laugh about the fact that "he could code, but no one would want to use the code he wrote." I've also heard another anecdote about an MIT grad who had excellent grades but who somehow couldn't get any work done on a relatively straightforward project. So yeah, even MIT graduates CS students who aren't the best at code. CS being "Computer Science" means they need to understand the theory, but even an MIT grad isn't guaranteed to be capable and talented in writing code in practice. If there were a "software engineering" major (or certification?) which, among other things, required the student to write nontrivial code, and it was judged by experts, including using subjective design criteria, then maybe we could start using that degree or certification to prove that, at least at the time of the tests, that person could code. But the devil is in the details even then...