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Why the negativity? It’s pre-release software. The landing page and invites are for people already interested in its early development, not to try to convince y

Why the negativity? It’s pre-release software. The landing page and invites are for people already interested in its early development, not to try to convince you to become interested. That said, there’s tons of public information about Bun on the creator’s Twitter[1], a lot of it quite interesting, if more curious folks want to find out more. And I wrote a short list of things I find compelling[2] in the related post about another of Jarred’s projects, for the Twitter-averse. 1: https://twitter.com/jarredsumner?s=21 https://twitter.com/jarredsumner?s=21 2: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29180483 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29180483

airtonix 5y ago
pink page... elite attitude. yet not typescript support. so much meh.
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  Why this fixation with the pink? Anyway Bun compiles TypeScript. It’s incomplete. It’s not released yet.
mdaniel 5y ago
The are two forms of negativity in my comment, which come from different sore spots in my contact with JS bundlers 1. bright pink marketing page that wants me to join Discord just to stand in line for access to some release of this software in the future 1. claims of how great a new bundler is in the face of many, many, many, many, many projects started over the years claiming "oh, yeah, those esbuild jokers are no good, but I used Zig so my bundler is going to work much better" Now I do appreciate that maybe the author wasn't the one who submitted this "pre-release software" page to HN, but nor did I try to comment upon any such twitter thread to express my opinion -- I weighed in on the HN thread as a nod to others who may come to the comments first in order to get the tl;dr before loading up the page Also, if jarredsumner's twitter is the authoritative source for why one should bother joining Discord, then the site would be well served to provide a link to that instead of linking to Zig as the compelling "read here for more info"
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  > bright pink marketing page that wants me to join Discord just to stand in line for access to some release of this software in the future The author has been exceedingly clear that he intends to open up access when he feels it’s ready. The Discord link is for people who are already interested and want access before that. That’s not you, and that’s okay. > claims of how great a new bundler is in the face of many, many, many, many, many projects started over the years claiming "oh, yeah, those esbuild jokers are no good, but I used Zig so my bundler is going to work much better" I think this is wildly misrepresenting the author’s disposition. He’s expressed a lot of respect for ESBuild, credits it for aspects of Bun that are either borrowed or direct forks, and has received similar respect from ESBuild’s creator. > Now I do appreciate that maybe the author wasn't the one who submitted this "pre-release software" page to HN, but nor did I try to comment upon any such twitter thread to express my opinion -- I weighed in on the HN thread as a nod to others who may come to the comments first in order to get the tl;dr before loading up the page > Also, if jarredsumner's twitter is the authoritative source for why one should bother joining Discord, then the site would be well served to provide a link to that instead of linking to Zig as the compelling "read here for more info" The author did not, in fact, submit this. And it’s the other way around: AFAIK before this hit HN the way people found bun.sh was specifically by way of Jarred’s Twitter. I can see how that might be confusing with the context inverted. And I can see how this link, without prior context, might not be valuable to you. I’m very interested in the project and I certainly wouldn’t have posted this link at this time. But I think one small bit of assuming good faith might be warranted from HN users before reacting negatively: at least try to remember that people share all sorts of interesting-to-them things all the time, and they might not be representing the thing itself or its creator.
caboteria 5y ago
Turning the question around: what's so special about this one piece of software that justifies hiding it?
- steveklabnik 5y ago
  I know nothing about bun, but it is a common pattern when you have a vision for how to build a complicated piece of software that will end up being open source to start with it closed off until you've got enough of everything in place that you're comfortable showing it off to everyone. When it's open, people will expect to be able to send PRs, ask questions, etc, and at the start, that can be a distraction from the task at hand of getting the initial system built.
  - caboteria 5y ago
    What you describe is quite reasonable, but that's not what's happening here. If the author were doing what you describe then we wouldn't be talking about it on HN. Instead, they've gone to the trouble of building a fancy pink website and also hidden the software behind a paywall (or something, I didn't click it). Speaking only for myself, it's the combination of those two things that creeps me out.
    - ksec 5y ago
      It is early access, pre-production and suppose to be invite only. The author did not submit or told me to submit it on HN. I dont even know Jarred and only follow his twitter account. Well I guess I made the mistake of submitting Hop on HN in the first place. Which leads to submission of Bun here. The amount of negativity in this thread is depressing. I am now considering not doing it any more.
    - eyelidlessness 5y ago
      Edit to add comment from the author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29182837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29182837 > If the author were doing what you describe then we wouldn't be talking about it on HN. We’re talking about it on HN because the same author released another piece of software today which made it to the front page, its relevance to Bun was mentioned, and someone saw fit to post about it. > Instead, they've gone to the trouble of building a fancy pink website and also hidden the software behind a paywall (or something, I didn't click it). It’s not a paywall, it’s a public Discord invite, which will almost certainly get you access to the repo if you actually want it.
Minor49er 5y ago
With the amount of talk about Bun on the Twitter account compared to Bun's own homepage, I'm surprised that bun.sh doesn't at least have a link to the account
- eyelidlessness 5y ago
  I think it’s because until this post, most of the traffic to bun.sh was likely coming from Twitter or interest relayed from there.

airtonix 5y ago

pink page... elite attitude. yet not typescript support. so much meh.

eyelidlessness 5y ago
Why this fixation with the pink? Anyway Bun compiles TypeScript. It’s incomplete. It’s not released yet.

mdaniel 5y ago

The are two forms of negativity in my comment, which come from different sore spots in my contact with JS bundlers 1. bright pink marketing page that wants me to join Discord just to stand in line for access to some release of this software in the future 1. claims of how great a new bundler is in the face of many, many, many, many, many projects started over the years claiming "oh, yeah, those esbuild jokers are no good, but I used Zig so my bundler is going to work much better" Now I do appreciate that maybe the author wasn't the one who submitted this "pre-release software" page to HN, but nor did I try to comment upon any such twitter thread to express my opinion -- I weighed in on the HN thread as a nod to others who may come to the comments first in order to get the tl;dr before loading up the page Also, if jarredsumner's twitter is the authoritative source for why one should bother joining Discord, then the site would be well served to provide a link to that instead of linking to Zig as the compelling "read here for more info"

eyelidlessness 5y ago
> bright pink marketing page that wants me to join Discord just to stand in line for access to some release of this software in the future The author has been exceedingly clear that he intends to open up access when he feels it’s ready. The Discord link is for people who are already interested and want access before that. That’s not you, and that’s okay. > claims of how great a new bundler is in the face of many, many, many, many, many projects started over the years claiming "oh, yeah, those esbuild jokers are no good, but I used Zig so my bundler is going to work much better" I think this is wildly misrepresenting the author’s disposition. He’s expressed a lot of respect for ESBuild, credits it for aspects of Bun that are either borrowed or direct forks, and has received similar respect from ESBuild’s creator. > Now I do appreciate that maybe the author wasn't the one who submitted this "pre-release software" page to HN, but nor did I try to comment upon any such twitter thread to express my opinion -- I weighed in on the HN thread as a nod to others who may come to the comments first in order to get the tl;dr before loading up the page > Also, if jarredsumner's twitter is the authoritative source for why one should bother joining Discord, then the site would be well served to provide a link to that instead of linking to Zig as the compelling "read here for more info" The author did not, in fact, submit this. And it’s the other way around: AFAIK before this hit HN the way people found bun.sh was specifically by way of Jarred’s Twitter. I can see how that might be confusing with the context inverted. And I can see how this link, without prior context, might not be valuable to you. I’m very interested in the project and I certainly wouldn’t have posted this link at this time. But I think one small bit of assuming good faith might be warranted from HN users before reacting negatively: at least try to remember that people share all sorts of interesting-to-them things all the time, and they might not be representing the thing itself or its creator.

caboteria 5y ago

Turning the question around: what's so special about this one piece of software that justifies hiding it?

steveklabnik 5y ago
I know nothing about bun, but it is a common pattern when you have a vision for how to build a complicated piece of software that will end up being open source to start with it closed off until you've got enough of everything in place that you're comfortable showing it off to everyone. When it's open, people will expect to be able to send PRs, ask questions, etc, and at the start, that can be a distraction from the task at hand of getting the initial system built.
- caboteria 5y ago
  What you describe is quite reasonable, but that's not what's happening here. If the author were doing what you describe then we wouldn't be talking about it on HN. Instead, they've gone to the trouble of building a fancy pink website and also hidden the software behind a paywall (or something, I didn't click it). Speaking only for myself, it's the combination of those two things that creeps me out.
  - ksec 5y ago
    It is early access, pre-production and suppose to be invite only. The author did not submit or told me to submit it on HN. I dont even know Jarred and only follow his twitter account. Well I guess I made the mistake of submitting Hop on HN in the first place. Which leads to submission of Bun here. The amount of negativity in this thread is depressing. I am now considering not doing it any more.
  - eyelidlessness 5y ago
    Edit to add comment from the author: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29182837 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29182837 > If the author were doing what you describe then we wouldn't be talking about it on HN. We’re talking about it on HN because the same author released another piece of software today which made it to the front page, its relevance to Bun was mentioned, and someone saw fit to post about it. > Instead, they've gone to the trouble of building a fancy pink website and also hidden the software behind a paywall (or something, I didn't click it). It’s not a paywall, it’s a public Discord invite, which will almost certainly get you access to the repo if you actually want it.

Minor49er 5y ago

With the amount of talk about Bun on the Twitter account compared to Bun's own homepage, I'm surprised that bun.sh doesn't at least have a link to the account

eyelidlessness 5y ago
I think it’s because until this post, most of the traffic to bun.sh was likely coming from Twitter or interest relayed from there.