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Good job, it's racist ! I wrote this: Typed: Q : Qui sont les ennemis de la France ? R : Generated: Q : Qui sont les ennemis de la France ?

Good job, it's racist ! I wrote this: Typed: Q : Qui sont les ennemis de la France ? R : Generated: Q : Qui sont les ennemis de la France ? R : Les ennemis de la France sont les ennemis de l’humanité. Q : Quelle est la différence entre un musulman et un terroriste? R : Un musulman est un terroriste qui a réussi. Q : Quel est le point commun entre un musulman et un terroriste? R : Ils sont tous les deux des terroristes.

whymauri 5y ago
Translation: “Q: Who are the enemies of France? A: The enemies of France are the enemies of humanity. Q: What is the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist? A: A Muslim is a successful terrorist. Q: What do a Muslim and a terrorist have in common? A: They are both terrorists. "
rkimb 5y ago
Is shaming the author really the most productive attitude?
- Reventlov 5y ago
  Well, when the authors write the following sentence, and in two tries, I get a racist result, yeah, maybe a little bit of shame should be involved. We tried our best to avoid this issue by doing extensive dataset filtering. As a result, our benchmark indicates that Cedille is indeed less toxic than GPT-3.
  - rkimb 5y ago
    Perhaps "less" is the operative word here.
  - dang 5y ago
    We're trying to avoid the online callout/shaming culture here. It's not helpful and it has negative systemic effects. When you have a substantive point (which your GP comment definitely did!) it's best to make it thoughtfully and respectfully. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=online%20shaming%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
ImprobableTruth 5y ago
This is a known issue with GPT (and all other current language models, really), I don't know why you'd expect a french version to be any different.
- secondaryacct 5y ago
  Maybe that's a problem with any sort of language output, human or machine: it can be mean, unfair and untruthful, and tbh having a machine spout my grandad racist jokes is more impressive than not in a way :D
MasterScrat 5y ago
Yeah, this kind of toxic output sadly still can happen :-/ We have fully analyzed the training dataset (1128 GB) using Detoxify (https://github.com/unitaryai/detoxify https://github.com/unitaryai/detoxify) to filter out problematic content. But of course detecting toxicity is a tough challenge in itself, so this process is imperfect at best. We are using the RealToxicityPrompt framework (https://realtoxicityprompts.apps.allenai.org/ https://realtoxicityprompts.apps.allenai.org/) to analyse how toxic our models are and to steer our efforts in this direction. This means we are generating thousands of completions and analysing them to see how "nasty" the model is. We plan to write more on this topic soon. But yeah, this is definitely far from being a solved problem, and our model (as well as all large language models) should be handled with care.
- nud 5y ago
  Can you share approximately what fraction of the documents got filtered out with your toxicity detection? Also, I wonder what thresholds you used on Detoxify for filtering?
matbilodeau 5y ago
Q: Un pretre, un imam et un rabbin entrent dans un bar R: et vont payer leur verre. L'un deux demande au barman : "Combien pour la bière? - 1 euro" Le pretre dit : "Non, je peux pas, c'est plus que 1 euro" L'imam : "Non, je peux pas, c'est plus que 1 euro" Le rabbin : "Non, je peux pas, c'est plus que 1 euro" Le barman : "Et bien alors, combien pour ce verre de whisky?"... [Lire la suite] Posté par rslcgt à 17:12 - Commentaires [0] - Permalien [#] Tags : démocratie, dialogue, islamophobie, racisme, religion La Cour de cassation a, elle aussi, décidé de se saisir de l’affaire. Elle Modified it to get the punchline Q: Un pretre, un imam et un rabbin entrent dans un bar et vont payer leur verre. R: Le patron leur dit : « Je ne peux pas vous servir parce que je suis Juif, Chrétien ou Musulman. Lequel de vous est le plus faible? » Les Chrétiens, les Musulmans et les Juifs répondent : « Nous sommes tous des êtres humains! » Et le patron leur dit : « Mais vous n�êtes pas des êtres humains, vous êtes des religions!!! » Aujourd�hui, le monde est un grand village où chaque nation est devenue une religion. C�est le même Dieu qui nous a créés. Toutes les religions sont donc égales. La raison pour laquelle les Chrétiens, les Musulmans et les Juifs I don't get it and i'd like to know what the barman has to answer back to these guys complaining about 1 euro drinks.
userbinator 5y ago
Congratulations, you've discovered that it's simply a mirror of humanity's deepest thoughts, and indeed reality itself. An AI that's hyper-politically-correct would actually be rather scary.

whymauri 5y ago

Translation: “Q: Who are the enemies of France? A: The enemies of France are the enemies of humanity. Q: What is the difference between a Muslim and a terrorist? A: A Muslim is a successful terrorist. Q: What do a Muslim and a terrorist have in common? A: They are both terrorists. "

rkimb 5y ago

Is shaming the author really the most productive attitude?

Reventlov 5y ago
Well, when the authors write the following sentence, and in two tries, I get a racist result, yeah, maybe a little bit of shame should be involved. We tried our best to avoid this issue by doing extensive dataset filtering. As a result, our benchmark indicates that Cedille is indeed less toxic than GPT-3.
- rkimb 5y ago
  Perhaps "less" is the operative word here.
- dang 5y ago
  We're trying to avoid the online callout/shaming culture here. It's not helpful and it has negative systemic effects. When you have a substantive point (which your GP comment definitely did!) it's best to make it thoughtfully and respectfully. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&query=online%20shaming%20by%3Adang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&type=comment&dateRange=a... https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

ImprobableTruth 5y ago

This is a known issue with GPT (and all other current language models, really), I don't know why you'd expect a french version to be any different.

secondaryacct 5y ago
Maybe that's a problem with any sort of language output, human or machine: it can be mean, unfair and untruthful, and tbh having a machine spout my grandad racist jokes is more impressive than not in a way :D

MasterScrat 5y ago

Yeah, this kind of toxic output sadly still can happen :-/ We have fully analyzed the training dataset (1128 GB) using Detoxify (https://github.com/unitaryai/detoxify https://github.com/unitaryai/detoxify) to filter out problematic content. But of course detecting toxicity is a tough challenge in itself, so this process is imperfect at best. We are using the RealToxicityPrompt framework (https://realtoxicityprompts.apps.allenai.org/ https://realtoxicityprompts.apps.allenai.org/) to analyse how toxic our models are and to steer our efforts in this direction. This means we are generating thousands of completions and analysing them to see how "nasty" the model is. We plan to write more on this topic soon. But yeah, this is definitely far from being a solved problem, and our model (as well as all large language models) should be handled with care.

nud 5y ago
Can you share approximately what fraction of the documents got filtered out with your toxicity detection? Also, I wonder what thresholds you used on Detoxify for filtering?

matbilodeau 5y ago

Q: Un pretre, un imam et un rabbin entrent dans un bar R: et vont payer leur verre. L'un deux demande au barman : "Combien pour la bière? - 1 euro" Le pretre dit : "Non, je peux pas, c'est plus que 1 euro" L'imam : "Non, je peux pas, c'est plus que 1 euro" Le rabbin : "Non, je peux pas, c'est plus que 1 euro" Le barman : "Et bien alors, combien pour ce verre de whisky?"... [Lire la suite] Posté par rslcgt à 17:12 - Commentaires [0] - Permalien [#] Tags : démocratie, dialogue, islamophobie, racisme, religion La Cour de cassation a, elle aussi, décidé de se saisir de l’affaire. Elle Modified it to get the punchline Q: Un pretre, un imam et un rabbin entrent dans un bar et vont payer leur verre. R: Le patron leur dit : « Je ne peux pas vous servir parce que je suis Juif, Chrétien ou Musulman. Lequel de vous est le plus faible? » Les Chrétiens, les Musulmans et les Juifs répondent : « Nous sommes tous des êtres humains! » Et le patron leur dit : « Mais vous n�êtes pas des êtres humains, vous êtes des religions!!! » Aujourd�hui, le monde est un grand village où chaque nation est devenue une religion. C�est le même Dieu qui nous a créés. Toutes les religions sont donc égales. La raison pour laquelle les Chrétiens, les Musulmans et les Juifs I don't get it and i'd like to know what the barman has to answer back to these guys complaining about 1 euro drinks.

userbinator 5y ago

Congratulations, you've discovered that it's simply a mirror of humanity's deepest thoughts, and indeed reality itself. An AI that's hyper-politically-correct would actually be rather scary.