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The change has been in the works since 2019 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/youtube-doesnt-like-dislike-mobs-will-try-to-prevent-dislike-button-abuse/ h

The change has been in the works since 2019 https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/youtube-doesnt-like-dislike-mobs-will-try-to-prevent-dislike-button-abuse/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2019/02/youtube-doesnt-like-... Was it "politically motivated" then? Or just when it confirms your own biases (now)?

bequanna 5y ago
> Was it "politically motivated" then? Absolutely. 2019 was only 2 years ago. YT's politics are the same now as they were then. Also, "dislike mobs" are hardly a thing at all. Almost always a large number of dislikes on content like "rewind" videos expresses widespread genuine disapproval of content. In the rewind example, users likely found this content cringy and felt pandered to.
- TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
  So they knew Biden's YouTube videos would get dislikes years ahead of time? Here's evidence of a dislike mob being organized: https://libredd.it/r/Conservative/comments/l2d9ma/youtube_deletes_portion_of_dislikes_from_biden/gk51weq/?context=3 https://libredd.it/r/Conservative/comments/l2d9ma/youtube_de... Here's more evidence of widespread abuse by the right wing: https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-for-taking-over-youtube https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-... You're so out of the loop, I can understand why you are confused. > Almost always a large number of dislikes on content like "rewind" videos expresses widespread genuine disapproval of content Go ahead and post your evidence please.
  - kipchak 5y ago
    >Almost always a large number of dislikes on content like "rewind" videos expresses widespread genuine disapproval of content Presumably he's referring to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJOTdZBX1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJOTdZBX1g
  - will4274 5y ago
    I knew Biden's YouTube videos would get dislikes years ahead of time. It's hardly a shocking conclusion. He's old, boring, out of touch, and wildly disliked by both the far left and the entire right.
    - dukeofdoom 5y ago
      Apparently he seems to be disliked by his kids too. Judging by shocking contents is his daughters diary, and the contents of his son's laptop. Would not surprise me at this point if they were both leaked to spite the "Big Guy". How exactly do both of them happen to "accidentally" just leave these things behind.
      - dang 5y ago
        Would you please stop posting political battle comments to HN? We ban accounts that do that, regardless of their politics, because it's destructive of what this site is supposed to be for. We've already had to ask you this before. If you'd please review the rules and stick to them, we'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
        dukeofdoom 5y ago
        In my defence, I replied to a political statement about Biden's popularity. But now that I reread the comment, I can see how it was overtly speculative. Shouldn't have made it.
    - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
      How did they know he'd win the presidency and be running the White House Youtube channel?
  - celdon25 5y ago
    > Here's evidence of a dislike mob being organized In other words, democracy doing democracy things?
    - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
      In other words, "dislike mobs" are very real, organized, and occur often. This evidence disproves the idea that "'dislike mobs' are hardly a thing at all."
- krzyk 5y ago
  > Also, "dislike mobs" are hardly a thing at all. Have you heard of 4chan? Or any reddit like forum? People organize pretty quickly on internet.
  - bequanna 5y ago
    It looks like ~300,000 videos are uploaded to YT daily. What percentage of videos do these "dislike mobs" mobilize against? 0.001%? 0.01%? As I said, they are hardly a thing at all.
    - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
      Dislike mobs are typically targeted to a specific account (like the White House) or video, not the 300,000 videos uploaded every day. Did you know that? Luckily they are typically organized so insecurely that we have a lot of evidence of them: https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-for-taking-over-youtube https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-...
deltarholamda 5y ago
>Was it "politically motivated" then? It can be politically motivated now, and reputationally motivated then. It can also be both, then and now. We know nothing outside of what YouTube's PR department is telling us, and all PR is nonsense wrapped around bullshit. It's pretty obvious why they're rolling it out now. YouTube spends a lot of its time suppressing signals it doesn't like. But, in the end, who cares? Everybody not suffering from brain damage knows that YouTube manipulates the hell out of all of the public metrics; and everybody who isn't clinically dead knows that these things are gamed into uselessness.
Jensson 5y ago
To someone who doesn't live in USA the policies created by tech companies always seemed random and strange. But then I started looking at Californian news and suddenly it all made sense, it seems most strange policies are made in response to local political issues and then the whole world has to live with it. I can't say for sure whether that is what happened now, but it wouldn't be the first time.

bequanna 5y ago

> Was it "politically motivated" then? Absolutely. 2019 was only 2 years ago. YT's politics are the same now as they were then. Also, "dislike mobs" are hardly a thing at all. Almost always a large number of dislikes on content like "rewind" videos expresses widespread genuine disapproval of content. In the rewind example, users likely found this content cringy and felt pandered to.

TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
So they knew Biden's YouTube videos would get dislikes years ahead of time? Here's evidence of a dislike mob being organized: https://libredd.it/r/Conservative/comments/l2d9ma/youtube_deletes_portion_of_dislikes_from_biden/gk51weq/?context=3 https://libredd.it/r/Conservative/comments/l2d9ma/youtube_de... Here's more evidence of widespread abuse by the right wing: https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-for-taking-over-youtube https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-... You're so out of the loop, I can understand why you are confused. > Almost always a large number of dislikes on content like "rewind" videos expresses widespread genuine disapproval of content Go ahead and post your evidence please.
- kipchak 5y ago
  >Almost always a large number of dislikes on content like "rewind" videos expresses widespread genuine disapproval of content Presumably he's referring to this? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJOTdZBX1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbJOTdZBX1g
- will4274 5y ago
  I knew Biden's YouTube videos would get dislikes years ahead of time. It's hardly a shocking conclusion. He's old, boring, out of touch, and wildly disliked by both the far left and the entire right.
  - dukeofdoom 5y ago
    Apparently he seems to be disliked by his kids too. Judging by shocking contents is his daughters diary, and the contents of his son's laptop. Would not surprise me at this point if they were both leaked to spite the "Big Guy". How exactly do both of them happen to "accidentally" just leave these things behind.
    - dang 5y ago
      Would you please stop posting political battle comments to HN? We ban accounts that do that, regardless of their politics, because it's destructive of what this site is supposed to be for. We've already had to ask you this before. If you'd please review the rules and stick to them, we'd appreciate it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
      - dukeofdoom 5y ago
        In my defence, I replied to a political statement about Biden's popularity. But now that I reread the comment, I can see how it was overtly speculative. Shouldn't have made it.
  - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
    How did they know he'd win the presidency and be running the White House Youtube channel?
- celdon25 5y ago
  > Here's evidence of a dislike mob being organized In other words, democracy doing democracy things?
  - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
    In other words, "dislike mobs" are very real, organized, and occur often. This evidence disproves the idea that "'dislike mobs' are hardly a thing at all."
krzyk 5y ago
> Also, "dislike mobs" are hardly a thing at all. Have you heard of 4chan? Or any reddit like forum? People organize pretty quickly on internet.
- bequanna 5y ago
  It looks like ~300,000 videos are uploaded to YT daily. What percentage of videos do these "dislike mobs" mobilize against? 0.001%? 0.01%? As I said, they are hardly a thing at all.
  - TAKEMYMONEY 5y ago
    Dislike mobs are typically targeted to a specific account (like the White House) or video, not the 300,000 videos uploaded every day. Did you know that? Luckily they are typically organized so insecurely that we have a lot of evidence of them: https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-for-taking-over-youtube https://www.thedailybeast.com/leaked-the-alt-right-playbook-...

deltarholamda 5y ago

>Was it "politically motivated" then? It can be politically motivated now, and reputationally motivated then. It can also be both, then and now. We know nothing outside of what YouTube's PR department is telling us, and all PR is nonsense wrapped around bullshit. It's pretty obvious why they're rolling it out now. YouTube spends a lot of its time suppressing signals it doesn't like. But, in the end, who cares? Everybody not suffering from brain damage knows that YouTube manipulates the hell out of all of the public metrics; and everybody who isn't clinically dead knows that these things are gamed into uselessness.

Jensson 5y ago

To someone who doesn't live in USA the policies created by tech companies always seemed random and strange. But then I started looking at Californian news and suddenly it all made sense, it seems most strange policies are made in response to local political issues and then the whole world has to live with it. I can't say for sure whether that is what happened now, but it wouldn't be the first time.