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This and soybean oil.

gremloni 5y ago
Pretty much every oil except olive oil is supposed to be bad for you. Looks like we’re getting to a point where we have to reevaluate all of our traditional foods, even those that have been around for millennia.
- pvarangot 5y ago
  Olive oil is not not bad as much as it has good essential aminos, but it still has a lot of palmitic oil. Another not not bad oil commonly sold as a health product is coconut butter, which also has a lot of palmitic oil. There's a lot of evidence that any fat and any cholesterol is worse than none at all. That means you just have to choose the lesser evil if you want to eat fat, and according to most big population studies that's just eating it raw from plants, like seeds and fruits. The main problem is getting the essential aminos other than ALA, those are found in seaweed or you need to supplement them.
  - phonypc 5y ago
    Might want to refresh your understanding here. You've confused oils, amino acids, fatty acids and essential acids of each kind. The only essential fatty acids are linoleic and alpha-linolenic. It's virtually impossible to be deficient on anything like a normal diet. Oils/fats contain effectively no amino acids, essential or otherwise. I would call both olive oil and coconut oil moderate sources of palmitic acid. It's present in greater proportion than in most other vegetable oils, but substantially less than in animal fats and palm oil. Re: seaweed and supplements, you're thinking of DHA, which is non-essential but probably beneficial to consume in amounts greater than can be synthesized. Seaweeds however, containing very little fat overall, are not a very good source.
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- bavell 5y ago
  IIRC, vegetable oils (unsaturated fats) exploded in popularity in the middle of last century when chemical companies figured out how to mass produce them. Prior to that, we got most of our fats from saturated fats. Very interesting video about this and more from What I've Learned: https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k
  - anthk 5y ago
    The Southern Europe have cook with olive oil since centuries. The North and the US, with butter, which is far worse.
- goldforever 5y ago
  Dumb comment.
- handrous 5y ago
  We'll need to bring back animal fat, butter, lard, et c., then. AFAIK avoiding those (because science said they were bad, at one time) is why we've got all these other fats in our diet to begin with.
  - anthk 5y ago
    No. Avoid butter, fry with olive oil. And threat sugar and/or corn syrup as if they were a plague.
    - grvdrm 5y ago
      Asking honestly: why avoid butter?
      - petre 5y ago
        Increases LDL cholesterol. I would not totally avoid it, as it's an important source of vitamin A, D and E intake but rather limit butter abuse to about one pack (200..250g) per month per person.
        grvdrm 5y ago
        Do you have a link to support that amount? Not disputing, just curious to read through whatever source says that.
        petre 5y ago
        No, it's just a self recomandation after eating about three times that amount and doing some blood tests. My LDL was almost twice their guidelines. YMMV. Nutritionists recommed twice to four times that intake (1..2 tbsp or 14..28 g/day). https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-butter-bad-for-you https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-butter-bad-for-you
    - zdragnar 5y ago
      Isn't olive oil terrible for frying? The relatively low smoke point means whatever good properties are in it are likely gone by the time your food is ready.

Pretty much every oil except olive oil is supposed to be bad for you. Looks like we’re getting to a point where we have to reevaluate all of our traditional foods, even those that have been around for millennia.

pvarangot 5y ago
Olive oil is not not bad as much as it has good essential aminos, but it still has a lot of palmitic oil. Another not not bad oil commonly sold as a health product is coconut butter, which also has a lot of palmitic oil. There's a lot of evidence that any fat and any cholesterol is worse than none at all. That means you just have to choose the lesser evil if you want to eat fat, and according to most big population studies that's just eating it raw from plants, like seeds and fruits. The main problem is getting the essential aminos other than ALA, those are found in seaweed or you need to supplement them.
- phonypc 5y ago
  Might want to refresh your understanding here. You've confused oils, amino acids, fatty acids and essential acids of each kind. The only essential fatty acids are linoleic and alpha-linolenic. It's virtually impossible to be deficient on anything like a normal diet. Oils/fats contain effectively no amino acids, essential or otherwise. I would call both olive oil and coconut oil moderate sources of palmitic acid. It's present in greater proportion than in most other vegetable oils, but substantially less than in animal fats and palm oil. Re: seaweed and supplements, you're thinking of DHA, which is non-essential but probably beneficial to consume in amounts greater than can be synthesized. Seaweeds however, containing very little fat overall, are not a very good source.
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bavell 5y ago
IIRC, vegetable oils (unsaturated fats) exploded in popularity in the middle of last century when chemical companies figured out how to mass produce them. Prior to that, we got most of our fats from saturated fats. Very interesting video about this and more from What I've Learned: https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k https://youtu.be/rQmqVVmMB3k
- anthk 5y ago
  The Southern Europe have cook with olive oil since centuries. The North and the US, with butter, which is far worse.
goldforever 5y ago
Dumb comment.
handrous 5y ago
We'll need to bring back animal fat, butter, lard, et c., then. AFAIK avoiding those (because science said they were bad, at one time) is why we've got all these other fats in our diet to begin with.
- anthk 5y ago
  No. Avoid butter, fry with olive oil. And threat sugar and/or corn syrup as if they were a plague.
  - grvdrm 5y ago
    Asking honestly: why avoid butter?
    - petre 5y ago
      Increases LDL cholesterol. I would not totally avoid it, as it's an important source of vitamin A, D and E intake but rather limit butter abuse to about one pack (200..250g) per month per person.
      - grvdrm 5y ago
        Do you have a link to support that amount? Not disputing, just curious to read through whatever source says that.
        petre 5y ago
        No, it's just a self recomandation after eating about three times that amount and doing some blood tests. My LDL was almost twice their guidelines. YMMV. Nutritionists recommed twice to four times that intake (1..2 tbsp or 14..28 g/day). https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-butter-bad-for-you https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/is-butter-bad-for-you
  - zdragnar 5y ago
    Isn't olive oil terrible for frying? The relatively low smoke point means whatever good properties are in it are likely gone by the time your food is ready.