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Good context rules. However, what always concerns me about 1 and 2 is that in our environment there are toxins of all types. Yeah, a penny here, a dime there, a

Good context rules. However, what always concerns me about 1 and 2 is that in our environment there are toxins of all types. Yeah, a penny here, a dime there, a nickle here again. Those all add up. And since there's no way to sort that out, each of those individual toxins gets a free pass for being an insignificant amount. Unfortunately, we can to be mindful of the sum of those toxins being greater than the individual parts. So now what? Is it reasonable and safe to ignore that context? And if we have kids?

Tagbert 5y ago
But “toxins” don’t all have the same effect on the same biology. You can’t just assume that they all contribute to the same disease. Some of them may cancel others out. Even the word “toxins” is so much abused in the popular medical press as to be not only useless but misleading. Any report like this needs to be evaluated for various factors, but one of the most important is the degree of effect. Some studies have identified effects that are are so small you would need to consume gallons of the product a day to see any difference from not consuming. The press is full of these scary sounding reports based on a study that found something that the report fails to explain has not been verified. Any one study should not be the basis of your life decisions. This would need to be verified or debunked by other studies until a consensus gives us enough information to determine how to act if needed.
- chiefalchemist 5y ago
  > You can't just assume... That is the point. They are all able to hide behind a cloud of doubt and lack of clarity. That's the spin. What's not addressed is the possibility aggregate - or worse, exponential - effect of each individual "Not us our data says becoming something far more (read: worse). So A, B and C do their data. But reality is not a silo. Those things combine. Who is addressing that? Just because that's extremely difficult doesn't mean it doesn't exist, doesn't matter. Keep in mind, as I understand it. A company can put a new chemical in a product without approval. It's only after the fact if it's proven unsafe will it be taken off the market (and perhaps only in select countries). Conclusion: Yes, it easy to say "It's only X amount of B." But it's not only B we're being exposed to. It's a whole bleepin' 1,000 letter alphabet of unknowns. No one should be comfortable with that. Yet we are.

Tagbert 5y ago

But “toxins” don’t all have the same effect on the same biology. You can’t just assume that they all contribute to the same disease. Some of them may cancel others out. Even the word “toxins” is so much abused in the popular medical press as to be not only useless but misleading. Any report like this needs to be evaluated for various factors, but one of the most important is the degree of effect. Some studies have identified effects that are are so small you would need to consume gallons of the product a day to see any difference from not consuming. The press is full of these scary sounding reports based on a study that found something that the report fails to explain has not been verified. Any one study should not be the basis of your life decisions. This would need to be verified or debunked by other studies until a consensus gives us enough information to determine how to act if needed.

chiefalchemist 5y ago
> You can't just assume... That is the point. They are all able to hide behind a cloud of doubt and lack of clarity. That's the spin. What's not addressed is the possibility aggregate - or worse, exponential - effect of each individual "Not us our data says becoming something far more (read: worse). So A, B and C do their data. But reality is not a silo. Those things combine. Who is addressing that? Just because that's extremely difficult doesn't mean it doesn't exist, doesn't matter. Keep in mind, as I understand it. A company can put a new chemical in a product without approval. It's only after the fact if it's proven unsafe will it be taken off the market (and perhaps only in select countries). Conclusion: Yes, it easy to say "It's only X amount of B." But it's not only B we're being exposed to. It's a whole bleepin' 1,000 letter alphabet of unknowns. No one should be comfortable with that. Yet we are.