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but everyone can still the the count - that is the main point here

by suyash 5y ago

nyxaiur 5y ago
And the point of the comment above yours is that public voting systems are easily manipulated and you should always take them with a grain of salt. most people can't or don't know how to do that.
daveoc64 5y ago
Everyone can see the count on Stack Overflow, but there are several mechanisms in place to protect that count from all sorts of abuse (bots, tactical voting, second accounts etc.). The same is simply not true of YouTube or any other kind of social media upvote/downvote system - anyone can sign up for an account, and their votes immediately count and have equal weighting. The same is not true of Stack Exchange or HN, where you have to put a lot of effort in with a community to be able to downvote something.
- Tijdreiziger 5y ago
  > The same is simply not true of YouTube or any other kind of social media upvote/downvote system - anyone can sign up for an account, and their votes immediately count and have equal weighting. I don't think this is true for YouTube - you need a Google account, and you can't create a Google account without verifying your phone number. (Unless you can create numerous accounts with one phone number? But that seems like an easy loophole to close.)
  - mywittyname 5y ago
    I have multiple Google accounts on one phone number. I'd probably leave google if that limitation were put in place.
    - Tijdreiziger 5y ago
      A limitation of, say, 10 accounts for one phone number doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
  - ziml77 5y ago
    Google does let you create multiple accounts with a single phone number. There's legitimate reasons to have multiple email addresses. I have a handful of different ones that I use for different identities I have online.
peeters 5y ago
That's not actually true. There's a reputation threshold (1000) to see how many downvotes the post has: https://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/established-user https://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/established-user. Without that privilege one can only see the net votes. I've argued against it in the past (since it's very important context to any reader) but to no avail. An upvote and a downvote rarely cancel each other out. They have different units and shouldn't be summed together. A score of 25 could mean the answer is perfect but has only seen moderate traffic, or incredibly dangerous but has seen high traffic. Here's a good list of controversial answers on SO: https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/466/most-controversial-posts-on-the-site https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/466/most-.... They would mostly look like great answers from the net score.

but everyone can still the the count - that is the main point here

by suyash 5y ago

but everyone can still the the count - that is the main point here

And the point of the comment above yours is that public voting systems are easily manipulated and you should always take them with a grain of salt. most people can't or don't know how to do that.

daveoc64 5y ago

Everyone can see the count on Stack Overflow, but there are several mechanisms in place to protect that count from all sorts of abuse (bots, tactical voting, second accounts etc.). The same is simply not true of YouTube or any other kind of social media upvote/downvote system - anyone can sign up for an account, and their votes immediately count and have equal weighting. The same is not true of Stack Exchange or HN, where you have to put a lot of effort in with a community to be able to downvote something.

Tijdreiziger 5y ago
> The same is simply not true of YouTube or any other kind of social media upvote/downvote system - anyone can sign up for an account, and their votes immediately count and have equal weighting. I don't think this is true for YouTube - you need a Google account, and you can't create a Google account without verifying your phone number. (Unless you can create numerous accounts with one phone number? But that seems like an easy loophole to close.)
- mywittyname 5y ago
  I have multiple Google accounts on one phone number. I'd probably leave google if that limitation were put in place.
  - Tijdreiziger 5y ago
    A limitation of, say, 10 accounts for one phone number doesn't seem unreasonable to me.
- ziml77 5y ago
  Google does let you create multiple accounts with a single phone number. There's legitimate reasons to have multiple email addresses. I have a handful of different ones that I use for different identities I have online.

peeters 5y ago

That's not actually true. There's a reputation threshold (1000) to see how many downvotes the post has: https://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/established-user https://stackoverflow.com/help/privileges/established-user. Without that privilege one can only see the net votes. I've argued against it in the past (since it's very important context to any reader) but to no avail. An upvote and a downvote rarely cancel each other out. They have different units and shouldn't be summed together. A score of 25 could mean the answer is perfect but has only seen moderate traffic, or incredibly dangerous but has seen high traffic. Here's a good list of controversial answers on SO: https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/466/most-controversial-posts-on-the-site https://data.stackexchange.com/stackoverflow/query/466/most-.... They would mostly look like great answers from the net score.