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> Details of our interview and assessment process is at the bottom of each job listing: https://www.level12.io/careers/ https://www.level12.io/careers/ I click

> Details of our interview and assessment process is at the bottom of each job listing: https://www.level12.io/careers/ https://www.level12.io/careers/ I clicked the first job listing and didn't find anything about the interview or assessment. They do have a weird note about the company's "Biblical principles" though: > Level 12 was founded on biblical principles and has biblically informed Values. Can you please write out your process here instead of making us search for it on your website?

pyaccount 5y ago
I am not religious but biblical principles and biblical values could be an extremely good thing for an employer to have.
alpaca128 5y ago
Perhaps we have to look it up in the Bible? > We exist to serve our customers, our employees, our partners, and our community in a way that brings them genuine benefit, honors Jesus Christ, and advances the Kingdom of God. Well, that's not what I expected from a software development website. And I can't speak for others, but this alone would be a reason I wouldn't even apply.
- handrous 5y ago
  You see these sorts of companies sometimes, especially outside the coasts. It's kinda like plumbers (or whatever) with the ichthus symbol prominent in their logo. Sometimes they even find a way to work it into the name.
  - rsyring 5y ago
    I absolutely found a way to work it into our name. :) I don't hide my faith or the biblical foundations for my worldview, as my posts here on HN will show. But, I can say I've received way more discriminatory remarks and hassle because I don't hide those views than I've ever given out. I've also had people express a lot of surprise at the fact that I'm in software and have such a worldview. I don't want anyone to be surprised by it so I let it be known. If people think it's inappropriate or decide they don't want to work with us because of it, I can't help their attitude. But I'm not the one being biased.
    - handrous 5y ago
      > I absolutely found a way to work it into our name. :) Yeah, thought the "12" might be a bit of that, but didn't want to assume.
      - rsyring 5y ago
        It's even elaborated on at the bottom of: https://www.level12.io/about/ https://www.level12.io/about/
  - logfromblammo 5y ago
    I'd wager cash that the "12" in "Level 12" is a reference to apostleList.count() .
    - rsyring 5y ago
      How much cash? Feel free to send it my way. :) See the bottom of: https://www.level12.io/about/ https://www.level12.io/about/
      - mywittyname 5y ago
        Parent comment's reason is better, IMHO. Level12 isn't really much more biblical than Water25. Honestly I thought this is just another Level N technology company.
  - shubb 5y ago
    I guess it depends if they are doing consultancy for churches. Church IT is supprisingly complex these days. Apparently churches use all kinds of demographic and social media data to identify and contact people who are crisis and recruit them into their flock.
rsyring 5y ago
Expand "Next Step - Ready to apply". And it's at the very bottom. Yes, the UX is not ideal. The alternative is that the entire post is really long and yet, people really want this information. Pasted verbatim without taking time to format: The Rest of the Process Our application process is outlined roughly below. But, before you get there, we want to apologize in advance if this process seems...imposing. We have put considerable thought and refinement into each one of these steps in an effort to make sure our hiring process is as well crafted as our software. And just like software, hiring is a lot more complex than it might seem on the surface. Our hiring process is far from perfect (like our software), we are still learning and tweaking, but we want to assure you that each of these steps gives us crucial information regarding you and your development abilities that is essential for helping us to determine if this is a good match. Consider this: our entire process is less than a week's worth of effort to make sure that where you spend the next 1-5 years of your life is a good fit. Isn't that worth it? Keep in mind that we have deliberately structured our process so that the earlier stages require less effort. Our hope is that if you make it to the later stages of our process, where the time commitment increases, you will have had a chance to get to know us a bit better so you can decide if the time investment on your part is worth it. We care about your time (and ours) and do our best not to waste it! Application Steps Evaluate resume and initial email correspondence Technical skills questionnaire Skills evaluation: 60-90 minute work simulation exercise Zoom interview(s): 45-90 minutes in one or two interviews to get to know you & your technical abilities Skills tests - phase I: three real-world programming challenges, no trick questions here (paid) Skills tests - phase II: project-based skills test: we give you a small project description and you build the best app you can (paid) Skills tests review interview: 2-3 hours on a Zoom meeting with our dev leadership team to get to know you and review your skills test results Collaborative work day: As close to a typical work day as we can get. We just want to see what it's like to work with each other. We'll assign you work based on a previous real-world project we performed This is a sample project, we're not using candidates for free or cheap labor. We will be available via Slack or Zoom throughout the day to talk through the work and assist you as needed. If at any step we don't feel like it's a good match, we'll let you know promptly. We ask that you do the same for us.
keithnz 5y ago
yeah, I saw that, that whole thing would be illegal in this country.
devoutsalsa 5y ago
I assume it’s doing what we all do… pushing the code, praying it works, and hoping to avoid being crucified.

pyaccount 5y ago

I am not religious but biblical principles and biblical values could be an extremely good thing for an employer to have.

alpaca128 5y ago

Perhaps we have to look it up in the Bible? > We exist to serve our customers, our employees, our partners, and our community in a way that brings them genuine benefit, honors Jesus Christ, and advances the Kingdom of God. Well, that's not what I expected from a software development website. And I can't speak for others, but this alone would be a reason I wouldn't even apply.

handrous 5y ago
You see these sorts of companies sometimes, especially outside the coasts. It's kinda like plumbers (or whatever) with the ichthus symbol prominent in their logo. Sometimes they even find a way to work it into the name.
- rsyring 5y ago
  I absolutely found a way to work it into our name. :) I don't hide my faith or the biblical foundations for my worldview, as my posts here on HN will show. But, I can say I've received way more discriminatory remarks and hassle because I don't hide those views than I've ever given out. I've also had people express a lot of surprise at the fact that I'm in software and have such a worldview. I don't want anyone to be surprised by it so I let it be known. If people think it's inappropriate or decide they don't want to work with us because of it, I can't help their attitude. But I'm not the one being biased.
  - handrous 5y ago
    > I absolutely found a way to work it into our name. :) Yeah, thought the "12" might be a bit of that, but didn't want to assume.
    - rsyring 5y ago
      It's even elaborated on at the bottom of: https://www.level12.io/about/ https://www.level12.io/about/
- logfromblammo 5y ago
  I'd wager cash that the "12" in "Level 12" is a reference to apostleList.count() .
  - rsyring 5y ago
    How much cash? Feel free to send it my way. :) See the bottom of: https://www.level12.io/about/ https://www.level12.io/about/
    - mywittyname 5y ago
      Parent comment's reason is better, IMHO. Level12 isn't really much more biblical than Water25. Honestly I thought this is just another Level N technology company.
- shubb 5y ago
  I guess it depends if they are doing consultancy for churches. Church IT is supprisingly complex these days. Apparently churches use all kinds of demographic and social media data to identify and contact people who are crisis and recruit them into their flock.

rsyring 5y ago

Expand "Next Step - Ready to apply". And it's at the very bottom. Yes, the UX is not ideal. The alternative is that the entire post is really long and yet, people really want this information. Pasted verbatim without taking time to format: The Rest of the Process Our application process is outlined roughly below. But, before you get there, we want to apologize in advance if this process seems...imposing. We have put considerable thought and refinement into each one of these steps in an effort to make sure our hiring process is as well crafted as our software. And just like software, hiring is a lot more complex than it might seem on the surface. Our hiring process is far from perfect (like our software), we are still learning and tweaking, but we want to assure you that each of these steps gives us crucial information regarding you and your development abilities that is essential for helping us to determine if this is a good match. Consider this: our entire process is less than a week's worth of effort to make sure that where you spend the next 1-5 years of your life is a good fit. Isn't that worth it? Keep in mind that we have deliberately structured our process so that the earlier stages require less effort. Our hope is that if you make it to the later stages of our process, where the time commitment increases, you will have had a chance to get to know us a bit better so you can decide if the time investment on your part is worth it. We care about your time (and ours) and do our best not to waste it! Application Steps Evaluate resume and initial email correspondence Technical skills questionnaire Skills evaluation: 60-90 minute work simulation exercise Zoom interview(s): 45-90 minutes in one or two interviews to get to know you & your technical abilities Skills tests - phase I: three real-world programming challenges, no trick questions here (paid) Skills tests - phase II: project-based skills test: we give you a small project description and you build the best app you can (paid) Skills tests review interview: 2-3 hours on a Zoom meeting with our dev leadership team to get to know you and review your skills test results Collaborative work day: As close to a typical work day as we can get. We just want to see what it's like to work with each other. We'll assign you work based on a previous real-world project we performed This is a sample project, we're not using candidates for free or cheap labor. We will be available via Slack or Zoom throughout the day to talk through the work and assist you as needed. If at any step we don't feel like it's a good match, we'll let you know promptly. We ask that you do the same for us.

keithnz 5y ago

yeah, I saw that, that whole thing would be illegal in this country.

devoutsalsa 5y ago

I assume it’s doing what we all do… pushing the code, praying it works, and hoping to avoid being crucified.