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The Fed is quasi-private so yes you can

credit_guy 5y ago
Not at all. Here's a quote from the Kansas City Fed webpage [1] Who owns the Federal Reserve? The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government. It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. [1] https://www.kansascityfed.org/about-us/frequently-asked-questions/ https://www.kansascityfed.org/about-us/frequently-asked-ques...
- ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
  They are owned by it's member banks. The member banks are most certainly for-profit. Those member banks are in turn owned through a web of funds and trusts by individuals. Do you really think these institutions exists for the good of the people? They exist to control the people by controlling the availability of credit, which is the main driver of the artificial boom-bust economic cycle.
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  - credit_guy 5y ago
    This is a fairly widespread misconception. It needs to be dispelled. The member banks do formally own "stock" in the Federal Reserve, but this stock does not confer any ownership rights. From Wikipedia [1] The amount of stock a member bank must own is equal to 3% of its combined capital and surplus. However, holding stock in a Federal Reserve bank is not like owning stock in a publicly traded company. These stocks cannot be sold or traded, and member banks do not control the Federal Reserve Bank as a result of owning this stock. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve#Member_banks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve#Member_banks
    - ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
      Voting rights. Influence. Nothing more is even required. The governance by committee results in de-facto control by the biggest stake-holders -- the biggest banks, who are controlled by their private share-holders. It's just a smoke-screen. Also those are not very reliable sources on this topic. Wikipedia is run by an e-beggar and edited by seo farm workers. For a good comparable to the PR website referenced why don't we ask the CCP if they are democratic and government for their people? Let's check their own website?
      - credit_guy 5y ago
        > Voting rights. Citation needed. Or rather, it's not needed. The Federal Reserve Board has 7 members, all nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, with a term of 14 years [1]. All the decisions of the Federal Reserve Board are taken by a vote of these members only. The record of the votes is public, and available at [2]. > Influence. This is quite an unfalsifiable statement, isn't it? I claim that the Knights Templars have lots of influence with the Fed, can you refute that? In any case, influence has nothing to do with legal ownership, which was the thing we were arguing about. My first quotation was straight from the Kansas City Fed webpage, and states clearly that the Fed is not owned by anybody. The legal act behind the Fed is the Federal Reserve Act, which you can peruse at your leisure [3]. It will just confirm that. Or is that not reliable? Is the Constitution reliable, or maybe it's on par with the publications of the CCP? [1] https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/bios/board/default.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/bios/board/defaul... [2] https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/boardvotes.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/boardvotes.htm [3] https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm
        veidelis 5y ago
        I find the video associated with Ron Paul's tweet to be very informational on this subject. https://mobile.twitter.com/ronpaul/status/1066015254885355520 https://mobile.twitter.com/ronpaul/status/106601525488535552... The Federal Reserve isn't "federal" and it has no "reserves." Is it a public institution? No... Is it private? No again... Is it Constitutional? Absolutely not!...

Not at all. Here's a quote from the Kansas City Fed webpage [1] Who owns the Federal Reserve? The Federal Reserve System fulfills its public mission as an independent entity within government. It is not "owned" by anyone and is not a private, profit-making institution. [1] https://www.kansascityfed.org/about-us/frequently-asked-questions/ https://www.kansascityfed.org/about-us/frequently-asked-ques...

ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
They are owned by it's member banks. The member banks are most certainly for-profit. Those member banks are in turn owned through a web of funds and trusts by individuals. Do you really think these institutions exists for the good of the people? They exist to control the people by controlling the availability of credit, which is the main driver of the artificial boom-bust economic cycle.
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- credit_guy 5y ago
  This is a fairly widespread misconception. It needs to be dispelled. The member banks do formally own "stock" in the Federal Reserve, but this stock does not confer any ownership rights. From Wikipedia [1] The amount of stock a member bank must own is equal to 3% of its combined capital and surplus. However, holding stock in a Federal Reserve bank is not like owning stock in a publicly traded company. These stocks cannot be sold or traded, and member banks do not control the Federal Reserve Bank as a result of owning this stock. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve#Member_banks https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve#Member_banks
  - ospzfmbbzr 5y ago
    Voting rights. Influence. Nothing more is even required. The governance by committee results in de-facto control by the biggest stake-holders -- the biggest banks, who are controlled by their private share-holders. It's just a smoke-screen. Also those are not very reliable sources on this topic. Wikipedia is run by an e-beggar and edited by seo farm workers. For a good comparable to the PR website referenced why don't we ask the CCP if they are democratic and government for their people? Let's check their own website?
    - credit_guy 5y ago
      > Voting rights. Citation needed. Or rather, it's not needed. The Federal Reserve Board has 7 members, all nominated by the President and confirmed by the Senate, with a term of 14 years [1]. All the decisions of the Federal Reserve Board are taken by a vote of these members only. The record of the votes is public, and available at [2]. > Influence. This is quite an unfalsifiable statement, isn't it? I claim that the Knights Templars have lots of influence with the Fed, can you refute that? In any case, influence has nothing to do with legal ownership, which was the thing we were arguing about. My first quotation was straight from the Kansas City Fed webpage, and states clearly that the Fed is not owned by anybody. The legal act behind the Fed is the Federal Reserve Act, which you can peruse at your leisure [3]. It will just confirm that. Or is that not reliable? Is the Constitution reliable, or maybe it's on par with the publications of the CCP? [1] https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/bios/board/default.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/bios/board/defaul... [2] https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/boardvotes.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/boardvotes.htm [3] https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm https://www.federalreserve.gov/aboutthefed/fract.htm
      - veidelis 5y ago
        I find the video associated with Ron Paul's tweet to be very informational on this subject. https://mobile.twitter.com/ronpaul/status/1066015254885355520 https://mobile.twitter.com/ronpaul/status/106601525488535552... The Federal Reserve isn't "federal" and it has no "reserves." Is it a public institution? No... Is it private? No again... Is it Constitutional? Absolutely not!...