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I know we're not supposed to tell people to RTFA on here... but i feel like i should tell you that they are not removing the dislike button
by woah 5y ago
I know we're not supposed to tell people to RTFA on here... but i feel like i should tell you that they are not removing the dislike button
- IceDane 5y agoMaybe you are right and he didn't read the article, but I think his points still stand. This is a ridiculous decision. When someone puts something into the public space and everyone dislikes it, that should visible to anyone. This is just going to make ridiculous conspiracy videos and other harmful material like racist propaganda seem more legit than it is viewed by the rest of the public.
- FridayoLeary 5y agoDon't be silly. Of course YouTube can be relied on to properly censor videos themselves. They will make sure you never see anything that may make you uncomfortable. Your complete lack of faith is astonishing. (sarcasm)
- politician 5y agoRemember, discomfort is literally violence now.
- toomuchtodo 5y ago> that should visible to anyone. This is just going to make ridiculous conspiracy videos and other harmful material like racist propaganda seem more legit than it is viewed by the rest of the public. Report videos that violates Youtube's guidelines, and start your own platform if you take issue with the engagement tools they offer. Arguably, the data shows that outrage drives unhealthy engagement [1], and this appears to reduce outrage driven engagement, no different than HN flamewar detection and other mechanisms to encourage more civil discourse. EDIT: Youtube isn't the internet, nor "commons", it's a single web property. Lots of other forums for your speech (including your own Mastadon, Discourse, or Peertube instance). [1] https://www.google.com/search?q=outrage+drives+engagement https://www.google.com/search?q=outrage+drives+engagement
- 14 5y agoAh the old just rebuild the entire internet and all your hardware from the ground up if you don’t like what you see argument.
- politician 5y agoThe ole just move to a different country instead of trying to influence the government.
- throwaway0a5e 5y agoThe ole just move to Denver if the public polices you support aren't working out as expected.
- downWidOutaFite 5y agoThis downvoted comment reminded me of HN's compromise which is to reduce the color contrast on disliked content. I think it works well.
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- 14 5y agoOr how about repair videos. There are countless diy fixes for cars, computer, cell phone repair, and countless others. I use the dislike count to see if I am wasting my time watching a bad repair video. That doesn’t mean I won’t watch it but that I am more aware I may need to skim through or fast forward to key parts like the actual removal of a part or something. Anyways I think this is a negative change.
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- darkwizard42 5y agoI think this is the common problem with rating systems though. Youtube is saying that the dislike count and ratio are used to unfairly pile on and reduce the real signal of the video. Instead some videos get brigaded for various reason ("I don't like this person" gets conflated with "I don't think this content is useful") There was a user-submitted recipe app that had a similar problem, where rating system on recipes is challenging because does it imply that the recipe was incorrect, the food tasty, the writing poor? It is too hard to get that signal from a single point of "average rating"
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- yakkityyak 5y agoI think like/dislike ratios suck and promote mindless dogpiling.
- SV_BubbleTime 5y agoNow tell me more about the gray comments here on HN. If this system wasn’t designed to promote brigading and hive mind reflex… well… unintended consequence?
- yakkityyak 5y agoHN and reddit have a similar problem of conflating accuracy with "I (dis)agree with this"
- shadowgovt 5y agoIn general, that's the risk of crowdsourcing signal on anything... You get the wisdom of the crowds. What that means depends on the crowd.
- kelnos 5y agoAnd even then, HN's guidelines say the downvote button is for comments that don't add to the discussion. Even a comment with incorrect information can add to the discussion (though admittedly much less often than an accurate comment), so it's not really about accuracy, either. (But I will admit that I often downvote things simply because they are inaccurate.)
- jodrellblank 5y agoOften people will post comments which are inflamatory, off-topic, advertising, etc. and 'the community' can mark them down. The parent poster saying "I've never hit a like or dislike button in my life" is a little bit like saying "I've never thrown litter or picked up litter in my life". Both understandable, one respectable, the other a bit weird - if you like the environment you are in but leave all the litter collecting to others and don't contribute to it, what's that saying about you and your one-sided use of the environment? If you want HN or YouTube to have stuff you like, and not be overrun by the wild west of the internet, and there are no paid editors like the newspapers of old, not adding to the collective voting is like saying "everyone else, moderate this for me into a place I like, thank you".
- 2OEH8eoCRo0 5y agoDid they remove comments?
- paganel 5y agoIt will also help legitimate politicians look more popular than they really are. That's what brought us "Let's go Brandon".
- tpoacher 5y agoAgreed, but, moot point. What use is a gun if you remove the bullets?
- sva_ 5y agoGoogle wouldn't want to miss out on that data.
- benmw333 5y agoI chuckled - but so very true.
- AlanSE 5y agoIn the update, the reason they give is: > You can still dislike videos to further personalize and tune your recommendations Not long ago in history, such a statement would have been totally incomprehensible, I mean completely nonsense. Even linguistically, there's so much baked into this. For starters, that there is an algorithm which which the viewer has a relationship with, and that the viewer wishes to further refine that relationship by expressing preferences. Yet, the interpretation of those preferences (by servers) are held within a black box.
- sva_ 5y agoIt is interesting to put things into perspective like that, but I'm not quite sold on the idea that you need to know these background details (of algorithms and black boxes) to understand that expressing your preferences (dislikes) to a business may lead them to tailor what they serve you.
- AlanSE 5y agoIf you don't know what an algorithm is, then expressing preferences to a (non-human) web service does not make any sense. The fact that this is truly a nuanced idea is why it's such a troubled case as a feature for the uneducated masses.
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- rileymat2 5y agoTo be fair, most of his comment is about the count and not the button itself. Which they are removing.
- wrycoder 5y agoTo be clear, they are making the count visible only to the creators. The button itself will remain.
- peakaboo 5y agoThey want to hide how many people are agreeing with the user, so the user feels he is the minority. The power of resisting something comes from feeling like many other people are also resisting it. Removing the dislike count means the user can't see if he is alone in his opinion or not. It's a shit move designed to promote further self censorship and control over the minds of the users.
- Grakel 5y agoRTF comment. He found the count informative, as do many people.
- louissan 5y agoI have RTFA'd. Yes they are not indeed, which is nice. but as I wrote a few minutes ago .. ./dislike > /dev/null