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Pure theater. > Kofe said he delivered the video address, scheduled to be aired at COP26 on Tuesday, in a place that used to be dry land, adding that Tuvalu wa

Pure theater. > Kofe said he delivered the video address, scheduled to be aired at COP26 on Tuesday, in a place that used to be dry land, adding that Tuvalu was seeing a lot of coastal erosion. Coastal erosion, not climate change, not rising sea levels.

Hamuko 5y ago
>Coastal erosion is the loss or displacement of land, or the long-term removal of sediment and rocks along the coastline due to the action of waves, currents, tides, wind-driven water, waterborne ice, or other impacts of storms. >According to the IPCC, sea level rise caused by climate change will increase coastal erosion worldwide, significantly changing the coasts and low-lying coastal areas. Interesting.
- HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
  Check any of the NOAA charts and chances are excellent that you'll see the seas rising at, say, 2mm/year, and that there has been no acceleration in the rate for over a hundred years. https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_us.html https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_us.html
- mbostleman 5y ago
  Yes, one of the causes of coastal erosion can be the effects of climate change. But what is the likelihood that the cause, or even partial cause, of this particular coastal erosion is climate change? I could be wrong, but I doubt that that causation is readily provable in this case. Hence some people that value a strong, empirical case for things like this will tend to take it more as theater than science. I personally think that stunts like this hurt rather than help the cause. But that's just my two cents.
- beervirus 5y ago
  When the sea levels rise a significant amount, sure. How much additional coastal erosion does IPCC think we’re getting now, with sea levels up like 4 inches? My point is that there’s no reason to think that the land Tuvalu has lost has anything to do with climate change. Pretending otherwise is pure theater.
rbanffy 5y ago
"Since 1993, sea levels have risen about 0.5cm (0.2 inches) per year, according to a 2011 Australian government report." That's 14 cm of elevation on sea level alone. Coastal erosion can be mitigated, but I don't think Tuvalu has the resources to build and deploy the required amount of breakwaters required to protect the island themselves. Climate change is something that has to be addressed at a global level. edit: math correction
- bencoder 5y ago
  14cm, not 1.4m
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    Oops. Fixed.
- beervirus 5y ago
  Your math is off by an order of magnitude. Sea levels are up by more like 0.1 meter since 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
  - rbanffy 5y ago
    Sorry. Fixed. I blame Windows Calculator.
- b112 5y ago
  I saw this episode. Gillian kept moving the professor's measuring stick..
bellyfullofbac 5y ago
The world's burning and you're nitpicking about this...
- beervirus 5y ago
  “We’re faking the world burning and you’re nitpicking about the fakery…”
  - bellyfullofbac 5y ago
    Hah, I'm glad I'm not as brainwashed as you. But oh well, you think you're the clear thinking one and I'm the brainwashed one. I'd try to convince you, but well, I think it'd be a waste of my energy, and I don't care enough to spend that energy for yet another idiot roaming the world thinking "It's all a giant conspiracy!". Besides, you've heard it all and you know you won't be fooled.
    - beervirus 5y ago
      I mean I think AGW is obviously a thing. I’m just not so convinced that “the world is burning” or that the direst projections are anything but… theater. And when people take things that were not caused by climate change, point at them and scream “LOOK, CLIMATE CHANGE,” they’re not doing any favors for the rationality cause.

Hamuko 5y ago

>Coastal erosion is the loss or displacement of land, or the long-term removal of sediment and rocks along the coastline due to the action of waves, currents, tides, wind-driven water, waterborne ice, or other impacts of storms. >According to the IPCC, sea level rise caused by climate change will increase coastal erosion worldwide, significantly changing the coasts and low-lying coastal areas. Interesting.

HamburgerEmoji 5y ago
Check any of the NOAA charts and chances are excellent that you'll see the seas rising at, say, 2mm/year, and that there has been no acceleration in the rate for over a hundred years. https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_us.html https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/sltrends/sltrends_us.html
mbostleman 5y ago
Yes, one of the causes of coastal erosion can be the effects of climate change. But what is the likelihood that the cause, or even partial cause, of this particular coastal erosion is climate change? I could be wrong, but I doubt that that causation is readily provable in this case. Hence some people that value a strong, empirical case for things like this will tend to take it more as theater than science. I personally think that stunts like this hurt rather than help the cause. But that's just my two cents.
beervirus 5y ago
When the sea levels rise a significant amount, sure. How much additional coastal erosion does IPCC think we’re getting now, with sea levels up like 4 inches? My point is that there’s no reason to think that the land Tuvalu has lost has anything to do with climate change. Pretending otherwise is pure theater.

rbanffy 5y ago

"Since 1993, sea levels have risen about 0.5cm (0.2 inches) per year, according to a 2011 Australian government report." That's 14 cm of elevation on sea level alone. Coastal erosion can be mitigated, but I don't think Tuvalu has the resources to build and deploy the required amount of breakwaters required to protect the island themselves. Climate change is something that has to be addressed at a global level. edit: math correction

bencoder 5y ago
14cm, not 1.4m
- rbanffy 5y ago
  Oops. Fixed.
beervirus 5y ago
Your math is off by an order of magnitude. Sea levels are up by more like 0.1 meter since 1993. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sea_level_rise
- rbanffy 5y ago
  Sorry. Fixed. I blame Windows Calculator.
b112 5y ago
I saw this episode. Gillian kept moving the professor's measuring stick..

bellyfullofbac 5y ago

The world's burning and you're nitpicking about this...

beervirus 5y ago
“We’re faking the world burning and you’re nitpicking about the fakery…”
- bellyfullofbac 5y ago
  Hah, I'm glad I'm not as brainwashed as you. But oh well, you think you're the clear thinking one and I'm the brainwashed one. I'd try to convince you, but well, I think it'd be a waste of my energy, and I don't care enough to spend that energy for yet another idiot roaming the world thinking "It's all a giant conspiracy!". Besides, you've heard it all and you know you won't be fooled.
  - beervirus 5y ago
    I mean I think AGW is obviously a thing. I’m just not so convinced that “the world is burning” or that the direst projections are anything but… theater. And when people take things that were not caused by climate change, point at them and scream “LOOK, CLIMATE CHANGE,” they’re not doing any favors for the rationality cause.