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> Police are almost NEVER fired But police chiefs and above are forced to "resign" much more commonly. And it happens when the optics are bad on something that

> Police are almost NEVER fired But police chiefs and above are forced to "resign" much more commonly. And it happens when the optics are bad on something that was the right thing to do (like policing higher crime areas more, when those areas have a higher rate of minorities).

ch4s3 5y ago
I don't really se a lot of evidence for that, and I don't see how it relates to peoples' general displeasure with policing. I would also note that the kind of policing like stop and frisk that people hate, is not the kind of policing that actually prevents crime. THere's a giant body of research on this. Across America police departments, regardless of how "focused" they are on high crime areas seem to have abysmal closure rates for murders, assaults, rapes, and property crimes. Police in the US are far too focused on dumb shit like clearing corners, and policing nuisance crime. Moreover, who cares if a police chief, a political appointee, resigns? It means almost nothing for day to day policing which is governed by lower level union members and informed by trainings selected by the police unions.
- RHSeeger 5y ago
  > I don't see how it relates to peoples' general displeasure with policing. It doesn't. It relates to the post I was replying to, which said that > I’d hope police chiefs have thicker skin enough to make the right choice despite the (agenda pushing) flak they might receive. Having thick skin doesn't help when you're out of a job and can't pay your bills; because you did the right thing.
  - ch4s3 5y ago
    > Having thick skin doesn't help when you're out of a job and can't pay your bills; because you did the right thing. I didn't say anything about thick skin. The truth is that police are virtually never fired, and when they are they usually get rehired by other departments. I'd be surprised if you could find a police officer being fired for "doing the right thing" anywhere in America, unless it was whistle blowing. As for police chiefs, who cares? They are political appointees, who are probably fired or forced to resign at similar rates to heads of other departments. I still doubt you can find a single police chief who was fired for "doing the right thing." Where in America has there ever been a police chief who was trying to put resources into solving violent crimes and was subsequently let go for it? Sure, some have been let go for cargo culting CompStat and failing, but that's a shitty idea anyway.

ch4s3 5y ago

I don't really se a lot of evidence for that, and I don't see how it relates to peoples' general displeasure with policing. I would also note that the kind of policing like stop and frisk that people hate, is not the kind of policing that actually prevents crime. THere's a giant body of research on this. Across America police departments, regardless of how "focused" they are on high crime areas seem to have abysmal closure rates for murders, assaults, rapes, and property crimes. Police in the US are far too focused on dumb shit like clearing corners, and policing nuisance crime. Moreover, who cares if a police chief, a political appointee, resigns? It means almost nothing for day to day policing which is governed by lower level union members and informed by trainings selected by the police unions.

RHSeeger 5y ago
> I don't see how it relates to peoples' general displeasure with policing. It doesn't. It relates to the post I was replying to, which said that > I’d hope police chiefs have thicker skin enough to make the right choice despite the (agenda pushing) flak they might receive. Having thick skin doesn't help when you're out of a job and can't pay your bills; because you did the right thing.
- ch4s3 5y ago
  > Having thick skin doesn't help when you're out of a job and can't pay your bills; because you did the right thing. I didn't say anything about thick skin. The truth is that police are virtually never fired, and when they are they usually get rehired by other departments. I'd be surprised if you could find a police officer being fired for "doing the right thing" anywhere in America, unless it was whistle blowing. As for police chiefs, who cares? They are political appointees, who are probably fired or forced to resign at similar rates to heads of other departments. I still doubt you can find a single police chief who was fired for "doing the right thing." Where in America has there ever been a police chief who was trying to put resources into solving violent crimes and was subsequently let go for it? Sure, some have been let go for cargo culting CompStat and failing, but that's a shitty idea anyway.