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You're making it seem like it's a travesty that Apple doesn't allow you to do whatever you want with your phone, but you're dodging everyone who correctly point

by d3nj4l 5y ago

You're making it seem like it's a travesty that Apple doesn't allow you to do whatever you want with your phone, but you're dodging everyone who correctly points out that Apple is far and away in the minority of smartphones in the world. People who want to run whatever they want on a mobile device have their choice: they can buy Android phones and sideload APKs, or buy experimental cutting edge devices running Linux. If anything, the example you cite - that of Apple removing apps in Russia or China - should be in your favour: if people in Russia and China want to run apps without their Government's approval, they should not buy iPhones, thereby hurting Apple's position in the market. Those who don't clearly don't care, and who are you to decide what they should care about?

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
People in Russia trusted Apple to allow apps to run when they were buying the phones, but THEN found out that Apple decided to cooperate with Putin and removed certain apps they were using. It IS a travesty. Apple didn't advertise beforehand that they would cooperate with dictators and block apps which dictators don't like.
- threatofrain 5y ago
  Were people in Russia hoping that Apple would pull out entirely, or that they should have the power to contend with Russia? If Apple pulled out entirely, people in Russia still wouldn't have their smart voting app. If Apple resisted the Russian government, they would've been banned. And you still wouldn't have your smart voting app. Do people imagine a world where Apple has the power to forcefully ask the Russian government to yield on their domestic affairs?
  - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
    If apple wouldn't insist on controlling what users are allowed to run on the devices that apple sold to them, users wouldn't have this problem. Seriously, Apple acts as if still owns the devices after selling them. If that's so, maybe they should refund the devices to users and honestly call such devices 'rented'? It is perfectly understandable why you can't install the music system of your choice on a rented car. Not quite understandable if you bought that car.
    - threatofrain 5y ago
      Are you still arguing on behalf of the Russian people? Putin has arrested Navalny and is branding him a terrorist, and Google employees were also threatened with arrest. Imagining that Apple or Google can make Putin budge on matters of Russian political liberty is fantasy.
      - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        Well, I'm Russian, so why wouldn't I argue on behalf of Russian people? What you say about 'google employees threatened with arrest' is pure bullshit. On the voting app was removed from the Google Play, but everyone who were interested (me included) installed that app directly. No Google employees were arrested for that. If Apple allowed the same functionality, nothing would happen to their employees, and their users would benefit. I know many Apple users who were quite outraged with Apple's actions, but were forced to comply. So YOU are bargaining on behalf of Putin, to keep the user-hostile Apple policy that is so beneficial to him.
        threatofrain 5y ago
        > What you say about 'google employees threatened with arrest' is pure bullshit. > The decisions came after Russian authorities, who claim the app is illegal, threatened to prosecute local employees of Apple and Google — a sharp escalation in the Kremlin’s campaign to rein in the country’s largely uncensored internet. A person familiar with Google’s decision said the authorities had named specific individuals who would face prosecution, prompting it to remove the app. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/world/europe/russia-navalny-app-election.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/world/europe/russia-naval...
        Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        That's just a sensationalised version of what happened in the reality (bullshit). Russian political coercement doesn't work like that. Source: I'm Russian and i know pretty much about these things. I was detained at protests against Putin and the service I run is blocked in Russia. And you failed to address the fact that Android users could use the app just fine via direct install, and NO Google employees were arrested. But no iOS users could use the app, and that is the result of Apple pathetic policy to control and restrict devices after selling them.
- d3nj4l 5y ago
  Those people in Russia can happily sell their iPhones and get Androids instead - it's not like you pick "iOS or Android" when you're born and have to stick with that choice forever.
  - webmobdev 5y ago
    > Those people in Russia can happily sell their iPhones and get Androids instead Why? Why should corporates have more rights than the consumers who pay for the device and rightly own it? It's not a choice when there is no choice at all in the first place!

by d3nj4l 5y ago

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago

People in Russia trusted Apple to allow apps to run when they were buying the phones, but THEN found out that Apple decided to cooperate with Putin and removed certain apps they were using. It IS a travesty. Apple didn't advertise beforehand that they would cooperate with dictators and block apps which dictators don't like.

threatofrain 5y ago
Were people in Russia hoping that Apple would pull out entirely, or that they should have the power to contend with Russia? If Apple pulled out entirely, people in Russia still wouldn't have their smart voting app. If Apple resisted the Russian government, they would've been banned. And you still wouldn't have your smart voting app. Do people imagine a world where Apple has the power to forcefully ask the Russian government to yield on their domestic affairs?
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  If apple wouldn't insist on controlling what users are allowed to run on the devices that apple sold to them, users wouldn't have this problem. Seriously, Apple acts as if still owns the devices after selling them. If that's so, maybe they should refund the devices to users and honestly call such devices 'rented'? It is perfectly understandable why you can't install the music system of your choice on a rented car. Not quite understandable if you bought that car.
  - threatofrain 5y ago
    Are you still arguing on behalf of the Russian people? Putin has arrested Navalny and is branding him a terrorist, and Google employees were also threatened with arrest. Imagining that Apple or Google can make Putin budge on matters of Russian political liberty is fantasy.
    - Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
      Well, I'm Russian, so why wouldn't I argue on behalf of Russian people? What you say about 'google employees threatened with arrest' is pure bullshit. On the voting app was removed from the Google Play, but everyone who were interested (me included) installed that app directly. No Google employees were arrested for that. If Apple allowed the same functionality, nothing would happen to their employees, and their users would benefit. I know many Apple users who were quite outraged with Apple's actions, but were forced to comply. So YOU are bargaining on behalf of Putin, to keep the user-hostile Apple policy that is so beneficial to him.
      - threatofrain 5y ago
        > What you say about 'google employees threatened with arrest' is pure bullshit. > The decisions came after Russian authorities, who claim the app is illegal, threatened to prosecute local employees of Apple and Google — a sharp escalation in the Kremlin’s campaign to rein in the country’s largely uncensored internet. A person familiar with Google’s decision said the authorities had named specific individuals who would face prosecution, prompting it to remove the app. https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/world/europe/russia-navalny-app-election.html https://www.nytimes.com/2021/09/17/world/europe/russia-naval...
        Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
        That's just a sensationalised version of what happened in the reality (bullshit). Russian political coercement doesn't work like that. Source: I'm Russian and i know pretty much about these things. I was detained at protests against Putin and the service I run is blocked in Russia. And you failed to address the fact that Android users could use the app just fine via direct install, and NO Google employees were arrested. But no iOS users could use the app, and that is the result of Apple pathetic policy to control and restrict devices after selling them.
d3nj4l 5y ago
Those people in Russia can happily sell their iPhones and get Androids instead - it's not like you pick "iOS or Android" when you're born and have to stick with that choice forever.
- webmobdev 5y ago
  > Those people in Russia can happily sell their iPhones and get Androids instead Why? Why should corporates have more rights than the consumers who pay for the device and rightly own it? It's not a choice when there is no choice at all in the first place!