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> Why not just buy an Android phone with the features you want? That's exactly what I did, but I know several iPhone users who don't feel comfortable making th

> Why not just buy an Android phone with the features you want? That's exactly what I did, but I know several iPhone users who don't feel comfortable making the switch despite being unhappy with Apple's policies. It's a big deal to change ecosystems for people who are heavy mobile users. It might mean getting new accessories, learning new apps (or not having a direct replacement for an app), and losing several other benefits of being in a single ecosystem. It's ridiculous to say that customers should shut up and take their business elsewhere. If current users don't speak up about Apple's consumer/developer-hostile behavior, who will?

ericmay 5y ago
I don't think it's consumer hostile. It's consumer positive. I don't want multiple app stores. I want Apple's heavy-handed approach. I want Apple to make developers who are trying to screw over people fess up to their anti-consumer activities. If Apple changes as you want it, then now I'm unhappy with Apple's policies. It's a big deal for me to change ecosystems as a heavy mobile user. I might have to get new accessories or learn new apps, or lose several other benefits of being in the Apple ecosystem. > developer-hostile It's the developers who are mostly hostile TBH. That's why they're railing against things like Apple enforcing data permissions or making developers at least nominally fess up to how they are fucking you and stealing your data. Developers aren't some magical good "guy/gal" to be put on a pedestal.
- Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
  if YOU don't want multiple app stores, DO NOT use them. Why should OTHER people who WANT multiple app stores NOT have them? For your convenience? Once and again, you project your needs (or lack of them) on other people. Your reasoning is exactly this: "I don't like gay people. Gay sex should not be allowed".
- schwartzworld 5y ago
  > I don't want multiple app stores. Why does you not wanting multiple app stores matter? Many Android users don't set foot outside the Play store and you could do the same. Apple supporting "sideloading" or even just supporting the PWA spec would only increase the options for using your phone, without forcing you to change your current usage at all. > It's the developers who are mostly hostile TBH. Now you're being deliberately disingenuous. Apple has a long track record of developer-hostile behavior.
  - ericmay 5y ago
    > Now you're being deliberately disingenuous. Apple has a long track record of developer-hostile behavior. No I'm not. Developers are clearly user-hostile. Facebook anyone? This is obvious. > Why does you not wanting multiple app stores matter? Because if developers can leave the Apple App Store and move to third party app stores, then all of the benefits of collective bargaining that go along with Apple making developers do things like support Apple anonymous ID, or state what they use data for, go out the window because Apple loses it's dominant position on the platform. And there is little to no benefit for me as a user. I don't care if Netflix (contrived example) makes less money because Apple takes a cut. Apple provides me with a valuable and easy to use payment mechanism. It's not worth the trade-off for me. So yea I'm going to oppose something that doesn't add value to me and takes away value from me.

ericmay 5y ago

I don't think it's consumer hostile. It's consumer positive. I don't want multiple app stores. I want Apple's heavy-handed approach. I want Apple to make developers who are trying to screw over people fess up to their anti-consumer activities. If Apple changes as you want it, then now I'm unhappy with Apple's policies. It's a big deal for me to change ecosystems as a heavy mobile user. I might have to get new accessories or learn new apps, or lose several other benefits of being in the Apple ecosystem. > developer-hostile It's the developers who are mostly hostile TBH. That's why they're railing against things like Apple enforcing data permissions or making developers at least nominally fess up to how they are fucking you and stealing your data. Developers aren't some magical good "guy/gal" to be put on a pedestal.

Andrew_nenakhov 5y ago
if YOU don't want multiple app stores, DO NOT use them. Why should OTHER people who WANT multiple app stores NOT have them? For your convenience? Once and again, you project your needs (or lack of them) on other people. Your reasoning is exactly this: "I don't like gay people. Gay sex should not be allowed".
schwartzworld 5y ago
> I don't want multiple app stores. Why does you not wanting multiple app stores matter? Many Android users don't set foot outside the Play store and you could do the same. Apple supporting "sideloading" or even just supporting the PWA spec would only increase the options for using your phone, without forcing you to change your current usage at all. > It's the developers who are mostly hostile TBH. Now you're being deliberately disingenuous. Apple has a long track record of developer-hostile behavior.
- ericmay 5y ago
  > Now you're being deliberately disingenuous. Apple has a long track record of developer-hostile behavior. No I'm not. Developers are clearly user-hostile. Facebook anyone? This is obvious. > Why does you not wanting multiple app stores matter? Because if developers can leave the Apple App Store and move to third party app stores, then all of the benefits of collective bargaining that go along with Apple making developers do things like support Apple anonymous ID, or state what they use data for, go out the window because Apple loses it's dominant position on the platform. And there is little to no benefit for me as a user. I don't care if Netflix (contrived example) makes less money because Apple takes a cut. Apple provides me with a valuable and easy to use payment mechanism. It's not worth the trade-off for me. So yea I'm going to oppose something that doesn't add value to me and takes away value from me.