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I had missed some information on my network monitoring app (RethinkDNS[1]) and updated my last comment before seeing your reply! You're right about the connecti

I had missed some information on my network monitoring app (RethinkDNS[1]) and updated my last comment before seeing your reply! You're right about the connections to a Facebook server, though I'm only seeing the connections when the app is cold-started on Android. I haven't had the chance to test on iOS. The Facebook Android[2] and iOS[3] SDKs are source-available. From a privacy perspective, when someone compares Google Maps to HERE WeGo, the question is whether using Google or HERE (plus the Facebook SDK) would be more of a privacy violation. I don't have a good answer to this question. But from a market share perspective, HERE WeGo is a minor player compared to Google and using it instead of Google Maps would help curb Google's market dominance in mapping. Of course, if a free and open source OSM-based app is viable for your area, I would go for that instead. [1] https://f-droid.org/it/packages/com.celzero.bravedns/ https://f-droid.org/it/packages/com.celzero.bravedns/ [2] https://github.com/facebook/facebook-android-sdk https://github.com/facebook/facebook-android-sdk [3] https://github.com/facebook/facebook-ios-sdk https://github.com/facebook/facebook-ios-sdk

Nextgrid 5y ago
> the question is whether using Google or HERE (plus the Facebook SDK) would be more of a privacy violation Well unless you absolutely never use Google (which is hard), you're better off using Maps (as they track you anyway from occasional usage), where as it's easier to never use Facebook (in fact all Facebook IPs are outright blocked on my networks) so it's better to not provide any data to them at all. So for me if I had to choose I'd prefer Google (who probably track me anyways during occasional usage of their services) over Facebook which aren't supposed to track me at all since I never use their services (and since I avoid all apps with FB malware in them, I don't think they can track me). In my case I use Apple Maps which works well enough for me. I wish OSM-based alternatives were as good when it comes to POI searching but in London I found that OSM is even worse than Apple.
- commoner 5y ago
  Apple incorporates OSM data into its maps for some regions, and Apple is also the most prolific corporate data contributor to OSM,* so I agree that Apple Maps is a great alternative to Google Maps. Unfortunately, it's not available on Android or as a web app. * https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-moment-dcc7eef1bb01 https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-mom...
  - habi 5y ago
    DuckDuckGo implements Apple Maps on the web; e.g. see https://duckduckgo.com/?q=london&ia=web&iaxm=maps https://duckduckgo.com/?q=london&ia=web&iaxm=maps
- thinkingemote 5y ago
  Apple uses (and contributes back to) OSM in many places.

Nextgrid 5y ago

> the question is whether using Google or HERE (plus the Facebook SDK) would be more of a privacy violation Well unless you absolutely never use Google (which is hard), you're better off using Maps (as they track you anyway from occasional usage), where as it's easier to never use Facebook (in fact all Facebook IPs are outright blocked on my networks) so it's better to not provide any data to them at all. So for me if I had to choose I'd prefer Google (who probably track me anyways during occasional usage of their services) over Facebook which aren't supposed to track me at all since I never use their services (and since I avoid all apps with FB malware in them, I don't think they can track me). In my case I use Apple Maps which works well enough for me. I wish OSM-based alternatives were as good when it comes to POI searching but in London I found that OSM is even worse than Apple.

commoner 5y ago
Apple incorporates OSM data into its maps for some regions, and Apple is also the most prolific corporate data contributor to OSM,* so I agree that Apple Maps is a great alternative to Google Maps. Unfortunately, it's not available on Android or as a web app. * https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-moment-dcc7eef1bb01 https://joemorrison.medium.com/openstreetmap-is-having-a-mom...
- habi 5y ago
  DuckDuckGo implements Apple Maps on the web; e.g. see https://duckduckgo.com/?q=london&ia=web&iaxm=maps https://duckduckgo.com/?q=london&ia=web&iaxm=maps
thinkingemote 5y ago
Apple uses (and contributes back to) OSM in many places.