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While I appreciate its simplicity, private data on the internet is messier than it sounds, and almost impossible _not_ to collect it (server logs store the ip b

by ghgr 5y ago

While I appreciate its simplicity, private data on the internet is messier than it sounds, and almost impossible _not_ to collect it (server logs store the ip by default for example). In particular, 13bananas.com has outbound connections to stats.wp.com (prompty blocked by uBlock Origin) and to bandcamp.com. Also, uBlock Origin seems to log access to Google Analytics through a bandcamp script. Sonnet.io seems to be less chatty, except for the requests to Heroku. Congrats on you game! It looks really nice, and I wish you the best of lucks!

rpastuszak 5y ago
> While I appreciate its simplicity, private data on the internet is messier than it sounds, and almost impossible _not_ to collect it Yup 100% agree. One of the reasons I do this is that I used to work in adtech (focusing mainly on privacy, which is a complete joke in that industry, but we all know that), so in most of my projects I try to use privacy-friendly alternatives. For instance, the Heroku requests will either use umami (without sessions/state) as well as stripping unnecessary headers/cookies from the payload from the network traffic (e.g. credentials: none). The code is available on GH. I still want to know what's happening on my site, e.g. UX-wise, so I can fix and adjust stuff. But, so far I've never needed to know "who" is visiting vs. what are the general interactions with the content. Just like oil/CO2 emissions, user data should be considered a burden, not an infinite resource. Even if your expectations of adtech are already low, I can assure you that some of the shit I've heard considered acceptable is just mind-boggling, and scary.
bananabat 5y ago
I see what you mean, thanks for pointing all of that out. I admit that the finer points of privacy are not really my area. We only meant that we as a company don't collect or store or use the data of anyone who interacts with us. But I wasn't paying attention to embeds and also WordPress stuff that's going on. I'll probably roll a local audio player to address that. As for WP...maybe it's a plugin I'm using. I'll look into it. We really want all our interactions to be a pull from the user. Because as a user myself, I try to avoid services and products that want to be my friend forever. Thanks again!

by ghgr 5y ago

rpastuszak 5y ago

> While I appreciate its simplicity, private data on the internet is messier than it sounds, and almost impossible _not_ to collect it Yup 100% agree. One of the reasons I do this is that I used to work in adtech (focusing mainly on privacy, which is a complete joke in that industry, but we all know that), so in most of my projects I try to use privacy-friendly alternatives. For instance, the Heroku requests will either use umami (without sessions/state) as well as stripping unnecessary headers/cookies from the payload from the network traffic (e.g. credentials: none). The code is available on GH. I still want to know what's happening on my site, e.g. UX-wise, so I can fix and adjust stuff. But, so far I've never needed to know "who" is visiting vs. what are the general interactions with the content. Just like oil/CO2 emissions, user data should be considered a burden, not an infinite resource. Even if your expectations of adtech are already low, I can assure you that some of the shit I've heard considered acceptable is just mind-boggling, and scary.

bananabat 5y ago

I see what you mean, thanks for pointing all of that out. I admit that the finer points of privacy are not really my area. We only meant that we as a company don't collect or store or use the data of anyone who interacts with us. But I wasn't paying attention to embeds and also WordPress stuff that's going on. I'll probably roll a local audio player to address that. As for WP...maybe it's a plugin I'm using. I'll look into it. We really want all our interactions to be a pull from the user. Because as a user myself, I try to avoid services and products that want to be my friend forever. Thanks again!