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This is a very sensitive topic and the article is coming from a tabloid, not bringing any trust and objectiveness to the table. Having said that, the article do

This is a very sensitive topic and the article is coming from a tabloid, not bringing any trust and objectiveness to the table. Having said that, the article does not convince me the model and the data are the real problem and cannot be solved, but current events are strongly suggesting a case of "we don't like what the data shows". There are mentions of very bad policing practices (to call it politely), but there is no call for action in that direction. Why? The only 2 possible actions in regards to police are the extremes, "abolish the police" and "leave them do anything they want, no matter how bad it is"? Why there is no call to put policing back in the service of citizens, not as city paid thugs as they are in some cases?

andylynch 5y ago
I’m not sure the Graun is a tabloid beyond the current dimensions of its print edition- it’s certainly left leaning but generally regarded as a well respected newspaper. In terms of a call to action, that would better be on the opinion pages, or as a wider discussion here and elsewhere.
Ma8ee 5y ago
When did the Guardian become a tabloid? Or is a tabloid any newspaper that publish news you don't like?
- weberer 5y ago
  >When did the Guardian become a tabloid? 2018. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/13/guardian-and-observer-to-relaunch-in-tabloid-format https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/13/guardian-and-o...
  - Ma8ee 5y ago
    Oh well, technically correct then. :)
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Clubber 5y ago
I'm all for cutting back on police budgets. Many police departments and justice systems seem to have turned into a self serving machine where self preservation and growth is its primary objective. I think defund was originally along those lines (cut back) but got propagandized into "abolish" by said self servicing agencies. The police budget in my medium sized city is $450 million a year. I think ending qualified immunity would go a long way in keeping police power in check; they seem to have gone rogue in many municipalities today over the last 30 years or so. They seem more like an occupying army than a police force; something you should steer clear of because you can't predict what they will do, and they suffer few repercussions for their bad actions.
scollet 5y ago
No one has made the argument "abolish the police". Arguments for defund? Yes.

andylynch 5y ago

I’m not sure the Graun is a tabloid beyond the current dimensions of its print edition- it’s certainly left leaning but generally regarded as a well respected newspaper. In terms of a call to action, that would better be on the opinion pages, or as a wider discussion here and elsewhere.

Ma8ee 5y ago

When did the Guardian become a tabloid? Or is a tabloid any newspaper that publish news you don't like?

weberer 5y ago
>When did the Guardian become a tabloid? 2018. https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/13/guardian-and-observer-to-relaunch-in-tabloid-format https://www.theguardian.com/media/2017/jun/13/guardian-and-o...
- Ma8ee 5y ago
  Oh well, technically correct then. :)
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Clubber 5y ago

I'm all for cutting back on police budgets. Many police departments and justice systems seem to have turned into a self serving machine where self preservation and growth is its primary objective. I think defund was originally along those lines (cut back) but got propagandized into "abolish" by said self servicing agencies. The police budget in my medium sized city is $450 million a year. I think ending qualified immunity would go a long way in keeping police power in check; they seem to have gone rogue in many municipalities today over the last 30 years or so. They seem more like an occupying army than a police force; something you should steer clear of because you can't predict what they will do, and they suffer few repercussions for their bad actions.

scollet 5y ago

No one has made the argument "abolish the police". Arguments for defund? Yes.