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Students will not get by in life by viewing the source code when confronted with any problem.
by YPPH 5y ago
Students will not get by in life by viewing the source code when confronted with any problem.
- goda90 5y agoStudents will not learn to experiment with technology if they are blocked on every attempt.
- YPPH 5y agoTime and place. Taking a math quiz is the wrong time to experiment with bypassing quizzes.
- scrollaway 5y agoWhy is that?
- anoonmoose 5y agoBecause the goal of the quiz is to test math knowledge, not software bypassing knowledge.
- BeFlatXIII 5y agoAnd the goal of the student taking that quiz is to get the highest grade by any means necessary. Learning is entirely irrelevant.
- anoonmoose 5y agoAnd since the student taking the quiz very frequently has no choice over whether or not they have to be there or take the quiz, their desires and goals are entirely irrelevant. Edit: are you intentionally or unintentionally trying to justify any and all cheating as a means to get the highest grade possible?
- BeFlatXIII 5y agoSince the student has no choice over whether or not they take the quiz, what incentive do they have to maintain testing integrity?
- anoonmoose 5y agook so you are trying to justify cheating, thanks for clarifying
- robin_reala 5y agoLike any organisation would turn this on for a quiz and off again afterwards. This would be a blanket and permanent change for the entire school.
- atomicnumber3 5y agoBut perhaps they will get by in life by finding clever solutions that circumvent common expectations through curiosity and familiarity with technology.
- YPPH 5y agoIs this a euphemistic way of saying cheating?
- croon 5y agoIf solving a problem in an unconventional or novel way (assuming legal) has a business value, that will absolutely get someone by in life. I don't understand what the term "cheating" means in a post-school context.
- jtc331 5y agoI think it’s easy to imagine cheating in a post-school context: copying code from a project your employer doesn’t own into one it does. And that has huge legal ramifications. So students do need to learn about those kinds of restrictions via analogues.
- croon 5y agoWhich is why I accounted for that scenario. Breaking the law is applicable post-school, "cheating" outside of illegality is just thinking outside the box.
- selfhoster11 5y agoNo, this is a way of saying "hacking", in the old sense of the word.
- selfhoster11 5y agoAs a DevOps engineer, I had multiple encounters with undocumented software just in the past month. Viewing the source code certainly helped.
- harry-wood 5y agoYeah. There's bizarre situations where 'view source' shouldn't really be necessary/beneficial and yet somehow it's a handy life skill. I remember doing it while booking a flight on RyanAir (Very bad website. I knew the option to not pay for extra insurance had to be on the page somewhere!)
- YPPH 5y agoI was trying to speak figuratively, not literally. Any programmer will need to look at source code to solve problems, but that's not what I was getting at. When you're taking a math quiz, the goal is to learn how to solve math problems, not bypassing the quiz. What I really should have said is that in life, shortcuts aren't always appropriate. If you're an engineer confronted with the task of calculating the load the bridge can take, you're supposed to do the hard slog of calculating how much the bridge will take. Let's suppose that engineer didn't understand math, but simply cheated their way through University and took a guess - will you be stepping foot on the bridge? Teaching kids it's okay to take inappropriate shortcuts is bad, because in the real world, inappropriate shortcuts can have nasty consequences.