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After those two people chased and attacked him, right? You conveniently left that part out. Lucky for us, we got to see the videos and witnesses testify about

After those two people chased and attacked him, right? You conveniently left that part out. Lucky for us, we got to see the videos and witnesses testify about those instances.

ceejayoz 5y ago
Assuming everyone on the scene possesses full situational awareness of the nature you can slowly and meticulously tease out in a courtroom is insanely silly. A concrete and sad example: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-charges-colorado-officer-who-killed-hero-who-stopped-mass-n1283532 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-charges-colorado-off...
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Yeah that's why you can't chase after someone and self defense is the only reason you can kill/harm someone. You have to be in immediate danger, you can't guess that a man shot someone else unjustly and use that to chase someone down. What you linked is irrelevant and tragic, the cop should have been charged, nothing to do with this case though. The good samaritan who ended the mass shooting was in immediate danger himself when he killed the shooter with his pistol.
  - ceejayoz 5y ago
    Sorry, you're saying detaining an active shooter at gunpoint is not self defense until they shoot specifically at you?
    - HNo 5y ago
      He was not an active shooter, he was a victim fleeing, so, no.
      - ceejayoz 5y ago
        He had just shot two people, was still armed, and proceeded to shoot a third shortly after. That fits every definition of “active shooter” I’ve ever seen.
        HNo 5y ago
        >He had just shot two people He had just defended himself against two assailants. >was still armed But not threatening or brandishing. >and proceeded to shoot a third shortly after. And proceeded to defend himself against a third assailant. >That fits every definition of “active shooter” I’ve ever seen. Fits practically no definition of "active shooter".
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        The definition of "active shooter" is "there's someone running around shooting people". Self-defense comes into play at charging time and in the courtroom, as it is now. The cops role during the shooting incident is to stop the shooting and detain whoever's doing it. Until they do, it's an active shooter incident.
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        HNo 5y ago
        >The definition of "active shooter" is "there's someone running around shooting people". No it's not: The United States Department of Homeland Security defines an active shooter as "an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearms and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims."[0] Even if it was, I'm glad that definition excludes the events that transpired when Rittenhouse was attacked. >Self-defense comes into play at charging time and in the courtroom, as it is now. Self-defense came into play when he defended himself against assailants. >The cops role during the shooting incident is to stop the shooting and detain whoever's doing it. Non sequitur. >Until they do, it's an active shooter incident. That is not what an active shooter scenario is. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_shooter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_shooter
    - hunterb123 5y ago
      No I'm saying being at the scene means the person was in immediate danger. He didn't go looking for the active shooter or chase after him. You're conflating two separate events with different contexts.

After those two people chased and attacked him, right? You conveniently left that part out. Lucky for us, we got to see the videos and witnesses testify about those instances.

ceejayoz 5y ago

Assuming everyone on the scene possesses full situational awareness of the nature you can slowly and meticulously tease out in a courtroom is insanely silly. A concrete and sad example: https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-charges-colorado-officer-who-killed-hero-who-stopped-mass-n1283532 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/no-charges-colorado-off...

hunterb123 5y ago
Yeah that's why you can't chase after someone and self defense is the only reason you can kill/harm someone. You have to be in immediate danger, you can't guess that a man shot someone else unjustly and use that to chase someone down. What you linked is irrelevant and tragic, the cop should have been charged, nothing to do with this case though. The good samaritan who ended the mass shooting was in immediate danger himself when he killed the shooter with his pistol.
- ceejayoz 5y ago
  Sorry, you're saying detaining an active shooter at gunpoint is not self defense until they shoot specifically at you?
  - HNo 5y ago
    He was not an active shooter, he was a victim fleeing, so, no.
    - ceejayoz 5y ago
      He had just shot two people, was still armed, and proceeded to shoot a third shortly after. That fits every definition of “active shooter” I’ve ever seen.
      - HNo 5y ago
        >He had just shot two people He had just defended himself against two assailants. >was still armed But not threatening or brandishing. >and proceeded to shoot a third shortly after. And proceeded to defend himself against a third assailant. >That fits every definition of “active shooter” I’ve ever seen. Fits practically no definition of "active shooter".
        ceejayoz 5y ago
        The definition of "active shooter" is "there's someone running around shooting people". Self-defense comes into play at charging time and in the courtroom, as it is now. The cops role during the shooting incident is to stop the shooting and detain whoever's doing it. Until they do, it's an active shooter incident.
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        HNo 5y ago
        >The definition of "active shooter" is "there's someone running around shooting people". No it's not: The United States Department of Homeland Security defines an active shooter as "an individual actively engaged in killing or attempting to kill people in a confined and populated area; in most cases, active shooters use firearms and there is no pattern or method to their selection of victims."[0] Even if it was, I'm glad that definition excludes the events that transpired when Rittenhouse was attacked. >Self-defense comes into play at charging time and in the courtroom, as it is now. Self-defense came into play when he defended himself against assailants. >The cops role during the shooting incident is to stop the shooting and detain whoever's doing it. Non sequitur. >Until they do, it's an active shooter incident. That is not what an active shooter scenario is. [0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_shooter https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_shooter
  - hunterb123 5y ago
    No I'm saying being at the scene means the person was in immediate danger. He didn't go looking for the active shooter or chase after him. You're conflating two separate events with different contexts.