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> we're still seeing a large influx to ICUs Is this true? I've heard claims in both directions but seen no sources for either. > mostly driven by the small bu

> we're still seeing a large influx to ICUs Is this true? I've heard claims in both directions but seen no sources for either. > mostly driven by the small but aggressive anti-vaxx "community Same question as above. There's a massive push to fire all the essential workers that took the brunt of the pandemic early on if they happen to believe the growing body of evidence showing that they don't need the vaccine if they've already recovered. That certainly doesn't help retain people either.

angelzen 5y ago
> we're still seeing a large influx to ICUs The summer waves clobbered various hospital systems in the US on a region by region basis. Winter is likely to be worse. For example, right now Minneapolis is under heavy load, ICUs at >95% across the board. https://covidestim.org https://covidestim.org concurs, the Midwest is undergoing a wave. https://datacentral.kitsapsun.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/minnesota/27/hennepin-county/27053 https://datacentral.kitsapsun.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity...
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  Thanks for the link. I'm not sure if it's showing a large influx due to covid though. For example, the top row in your second link shows 98% beds full, but n/a for covid patients. The second row says 75% ICU beds full, but only 14 positive for covid in the 7 day avg, and its not clear what of those are ICU patients. It also isn't clear if these are patients in hospital for covid or they just happen to have covid (click on the links in the column headers to see the inclusion criteria).
  - angelzen 5y ago
    Agreed, it's not a perfect resource. The other tool I know of is https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/minnesota https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/minnesota, but its resolution is only state level, can't dig in at county or hospital level. Between 30% covid ICU at state level and red hospitals concentrated in Minneapolis, I'm making a guess that it's probably a covid wave hitting Minneapolis.
formerly_proven 5y ago
> Is this true? I've heard claims in both directions but seen no sources for either. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hospitals-reach-critical-pandemic-moment/a-59653127 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hospitals-reach-critical-pande... https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=icu_beds https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab... https://www.thelocal.de/20211108/german-states-bring-in-tougher-covid-rules-on-unvaccinated-to-battle-fourth-wave/ https://www.thelocal.de/20211108/german-states-bring-in-toug... https://www.dw.com/en/covid-german-health-chiefs-call-for-stricter-curbs/a-59740756 https://www.dw.com/en/covid-german-health-chiefs-call-for-st... https://thegermanyeye.com/hospitals%3A-the-intensive-care-units-will-soon-be-full-4526 https://thegermanyeye.com/hospitals%3A-the-intensive-care-un... ...
- ifyoubuildit 5y ago
  Thanks for the links. I get a strong sense from these sources that cases are ticking up in Germany and government is considering more restrictions. I get less strong of a sense that ICUs are primarily filling with severe covid patients. Seems reasonable that if cases are going up, hospital admission (including ICU beds) would go up, but its hard to conclusively validate that from these.
  - formerly_proven 5y ago
    Maybe the second deep link isn't working correctly, but look at the ICU beds used for COVID-19 patients graph. Also the first link. Also from yesterday: "Meanwhile, German authorities issued threats of a new lockdown, while a top virologist called for immediate action in the face of overburdened hospitals. ... Several hospitals have said in recent days that they are again working at their limits and have ICUs so full of COVID-19 patients that they cannot admit new patients at the moment. Charite said Tuesday it had to cancel planned surgeries due to the number of staff members caring for people with COVID-19. Authorities have said most of latest patients are unvaccinated." https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-france-tightens-vaccine-restrictions-on-the-elderly/a-59773025 https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-france-tightens-vac... For every English article mentioning this situation, there are 100 in German.

angelzen 5y ago

> we're still seeing a large influx to ICUs The summer waves clobbered various hospital systems in the US on a region by region basis. Winter is likely to be worse. For example, right now Minneapolis is under heavy load, ICUs at >95% across the board. https://covidestim.org https://covidestim.org concurs, the Midwest is undergoing a wave. https://datacentral.kitsapsun.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity/minnesota/27/hennepin-county/27053 https://datacentral.kitsapsun.com/covid-19-hospital-capacity...

ifyoubuildit 5y ago
Thanks for the link. I'm not sure if it's showing a large influx due to covid though. For example, the top row in your second link shows 98% beds full, but n/a for covid patients. The second row says 75% ICU beds full, but only 14 positive for covid in the 7 day avg, and its not clear what of those are ICU patients. It also isn't clear if these are patients in hospital for covid or they just happen to have covid (click on the links in the column headers to see the inclusion criteria).
- angelzen 5y ago
  Agreed, it's not a perfect resource. The other tool I know of is https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/minnesota https://coronavirus.jhu.edu/region/us/minnesota, but its resolution is only state level, can't dig in at county or hospital level. Between 30% covid ICU at state level and red hospitals concentrated in Minneapolis, I'm making a guess that it's probably a covid wave hitting Minneapolis.

formerly_proven 5y ago

> Is this true? I've heard claims in both directions but seen no sources for either. https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hospitals-reach-critical-pandemic-moment/a-59653127 https://www.dw.com/en/germany-hospitals-reach-critical-pande... https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab=trend&resource=icu_beds https://covid19.healthdata.org/germany?view=resource-use&tab... https://www.thelocal.de/20211108/german-states-bring-in-tougher-covid-rules-on-unvaccinated-to-battle-fourth-wave/ https://www.thelocal.de/20211108/german-states-bring-in-toug... https://www.dw.com/en/covid-german-health-chiefs-call-for-stricter-curbs/a-59740756 https://www.dw.com/en/covid-german-health-chiefs-call-for-st... https://thegermanyeye.com/hospitals%3A-the-intensive-care-units-will-soon-be-full-4526 https://thegermanyeye.com/hospitals%3A-the-intensive-care-un... ...

ifyoubuildit 5y ago
Thanks for the links. I get a strong sense from these sources that cases are ticking up in Germany and government is considering more restrictions. I get less strong of a sense that ICUs are primarily filling with severe covid patients. Seems reasonable that if cases are going up, hospital admission (including ICU beds) would go up, but its hard to conclusively validate that from these.
- formerly_proven 5y ago
  Maybe the second deep link isn't working correctly, but look at the ICU beds used for COVID-19 patients graph. Also the first link. Also from yesterday: "Meanwhile, German authorities issued threats of a new lockdown, while a top virologist called for immediate action in the face of overburdened hospitals. ... Several hospitals have said in recent days that they are again working at their limits and have ICUs so full of COVID-19 patients that they cannot admit new patients at the moment. Charite said Tuesday it had to cancel planned surgeries due to the number of staff members caring for people with COVID-19. Authorities have said most of latest patients are unvaccinated." https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-france-tightens-vaccine-restrictions-on-the-elderly/a-59773025 https://www.dw.com/en/coronavirus-digest-france-tightens-vac... For every English article mentioning this situation, there are 100 in German.