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Context matters in self-defense situations.

by rabuse 5y ago

croes 5y ago
Yep, and the context here is complex. Couldn't Rosenbaum, Huber and Grosskreutz also claim self-defense? Simply speaking hypothetically: Rosenbaum tried to disarm an armed a teenager. Huber tried to stop someone who already shot someone. Grosskreutz tried to hold someone at gunpoint who already shot two people. Could it simply be that both sides saw the other as threat?
- hunterb123 5y ago
  Rosembaum chased down and tried to disarm an armed teenager, being armed by itself is not a crime, it's an open carry state. Huber chased down and attacked Rittenhouse who was running away to the police line. Huber was not at the initial altercation nor would he have been in the right even if he was. Grosskreutz chased down and pointed a gun at Rittenhouse after previously holding his hands up and Rittenhouse lowered his gun beforehand. Pro tip: you can't claim self defense if you are chasing someone as your life isn't in immediate danger. You can't chase down someone on others behalf and claim self defense. Now if Kyle ran at one of these individuals the story would be different, but they ran after him.
  - rabuse 5y ago
    Exactly. All of those shot, were not fleeing Rittenhouse. It would be different if the GSW's entered their backs and whatnot, but that's not the case. Clear cut self-defense in this case.
    - croes 5y ago
      So if I shoot someone and you chase me to stopp me and prevent more victims I'm allowed to shoot you in self-defense? Don't forget this happenend in the moment, all you know is someone was shot dead by him. In hindsight with lots of time it's easy to say you would have act differently.
      - koheripbal 5y ago
        The mob didn't try to stop him, they tried to kill him.
      - rabuse 5y ago
        I wouldn't go chasing somebody with a rifle in the first place. Leave that to law enforcement.
  - croes 5y ago
    > Rosembaum chased down and tried to disarm an armed teenager, being armed by itself is not a crime, it's an open carry state. How do you know Rosenbaum didn't feal threatened? You can claim self-defense if the life of others is in danger. Self-defense includes third parties. If a someone chases and shoots a school shooter to prevent more victims he can claim self-defense.

Context matters in self-defense situations.

by rabuse 5y ago

Context matters in self-defense situations.

Yep, and the context here is complex. Couldn't Rosenbaum, Huber and Grosskreutz also claim self-defense? Simply speaking hypothetically: Rosenbaum tried to disarm an armed a teenager. Huber tried to stop someone who already shot someone. Grosskreutz tried to hold someone at gunpoint who already shot two people. Could it simply be that both sides saw the other as threat?

hunterb123 5y ago
Rosembaum chased down and tried to disarm an armed teenager, being armed by itself is not a crime, it's an open carry state. Huber chased down and attacked Rittenhouse who was running away to the police line. Huber was not at the initial altercation nor would he have been in the right even if he was. Grosskreutz chased down and pointed a gun at Rittenhouse after previously holding his hands up and Rittenhouse lowered his gun beforehand. Pro tip: you can't claim self defense if you are chasing someone as your life isn't in immediate danger. You can't chase down someone on others behalf and claim self defense. Now if Kyle ran at one of these individuals the story would be different, but they ran after him.
- rabuse 5y ago
  Exactly. All of those shot, were not fleeing Rittenhouse. It would be different if the GSW's entered their backs and whatnot, but that's not the case. Clear cut self-defense in this case.
  - croes 5y ago
    So if I shoot someone and you chase me to stopp me and prevent more victims I'm allowed to shoot you in self-defense? Don't forget this happenend in the moment, all you know is someone was shot dead by him. In hindsight with lots of time it's easy to say you would have act differently.
    - koheripbal 5y ago
      The mob didn't try to stop him, they tried to kill him.
    - rabuse 5y ago
      I wouldn't go chasing somebody with a rifle in the first place. Leave that to law enforcement.
- croes 5y ago
  > Rosembaum chased down and tried to disarm an armed teenager, being armed by itself is not a crime, it's an open carry state. How do you know Rosenbaum didn't feal threatened? You can claim self-defense if the life of others is in danger. Self-defense includes third parties. If a someone chases and shoots a school shooter to prevent more victims he can claim self-defense.