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I looked into Paris and the 19th looks very reasonably priced and apex civilized to me. (I've walked all over it.) A two bedroom for say €2000-2500/m with eas

by downut 5y ago

I looked into Paris and the 19th looks very reasonably priced and apex civilized to me. (I've walked all over it.) A two bedroom for say €2000-2500/m with easy access to the Metro. Am I wrong? I was surprised when I looked at the prices, maybe my sources are inaccurate. But then I discovered Montpellier :-), half as expensive. I've lived in Atlanta, Phoenix and SF/MV/Santa Clara, and no, none of those come close to the quality of life for the money. For reference I live in a 2300ft^2 house in the country, and it was great for raising a family, but now I'd rather rejoin civilization. So I'm aware of the tradeoffs.

xyzzyz 5y ago
Average household income in Paris is 36k EUR. 2000-2500 EUR/mo is insanely expensive. For comparison, in Sunnyvale, CA, median rent for 2 bedroom is $3k, but median household income is $130k. Seriously, if you think housing is expensive relative to incomes in Bay Area, or NYC, it will seem like a bargain compared to London or Paris.
- downut 5y ago
  Why would I work for 36k? This discussion is about remote work. I'm not worried about making 3x that. As I mentioned, I've lived in Mountain View and Santa Clara. Sunnyvale is in the middle. I'm a cyclist and loved to climb up the various two lane grades and over the top to the coast and back. I visited MV and San Jose last spring. And SF. It was much more interesting in the '90s. Now the South Bay is just another dead US suburb. I wouldn't live there again for $500k/year. We haven't even discussed why most families move to the suburbs: children. We have done the two commute raising a child in the Bay Area. We evacuated when the school logistics became visible, and in hindsight, rightly so.
BiteCode_dev 5y ago
Ah ah ah, €2000-2500/m in France is crazy expensive. In Nice, I would pay 1100€/m for the same thing, and that's also considered an expensive city. In my current country side town, I pay the ridiculously low price of 300€/m for a 3 bedrooms flat. Now that's the lower end of the spectrum, because it's a very poor deep country side village. But yeah, some devs start their career at 2400€ a month as a salary :)
- downut 5y ago
  I am really glad to hear this. The first time I looked at housing costs in Montpellier I was astounded. I asked some of my EU friends and they said yup. City center is about the same as Nice apparently, and I consider that dirt cheap. It's not Paris, but... I could dig being near the sea again. Try getting anywhere as near the US Pacific coast, hahahaha.
goodpoint 5y ago
There is nothing reasonable in €2000-2500/m

by downut 5y ago

xyzzyz 5y ago

Average household income in Paris is 36k EUR. 2000-2500 EUR/mo is insanely expensive. For comparison, in Sunnyvale, CA, median rent for 2 bedroom is $3k, but median household income is $130k. Seriously, if you think housing is expensive relative to incomes in Bay Area, or NYC, it will seem like a bargain compared to London or Paris.

downut 5y ago
Why would I work for 36k? This discussion is about remote work. I'm not worried about making 3x that. As I mentioned, I've lived in Mountain View and Santa Clara. Sunnyvale is in the middle. I'm a cyclist and loved to climb up the various two lane grades and over the top to the coast and back. I visited MV and San Jose last spring. And SF. It was much more interesting in the '90s. Now the South Bay is just another dead US suburb. I wouldn't live there again for $500k/year. We haven't even discussed why most families move to the suburbs: children. We have done the two commute raising a child in the Bay Area. We evacuated when the school logistics became visible, and in hindsight, rightly so.

BiteCode_dev 5y ago

Ah ah ah, €2000-2500/m in France is crazy expensive. In Nice, I would pay 1100€/m for the same thing, and that's also considered an expensive city. In my current country side town, I pay the ridiculously low price of 300€/m for a 3 bedrooms flat. Now that's the lower end of the spectrum, because it's a very poor deep country side village. But yeah, some devs start their career at 2400€ a month as a salary :)

downut 5y ago
I am really glad to hear this. The first time I looked at housing costs in Montpellier I was astounded. I asked some of my EU friends and they said yup. City center is about the same as Nice apparently, and I consider that dirt cheap. It's not Paris, but... I could dig being near the sea again. Try getting anywhere as near the US Pacific coast, hahahaha.

goodpoint 5y ago

There is nothing reasonable in €2000-2500/m