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> Sounds like all of the physical symptoms of so-called long-COVID. I don't understand - are you saying lung damage and neurological issues like loss of taste

> Sounds like all of the physical symptoms of so-called long-COVID. I don't understand - are you saying lung damage and neurological issues like loss of taste are not distinct factors of long Covid? Or did you come to the realisation that psychological stress often manifests in physiological symptoms? Are you even saying that there is not such a clear distinction between psychological and physiological diseases? > There are no randomized studies, that control for factors, like the aforementioned psychological distress [...] here are a host of potential confounding factors [...] It sounds like you are seriously underestimating medical research and researchers/scientists. > Notice how extreme rigor is demanded ivermectin studies [...] scare mongering conclusions [...] I'm even more confused - who is demanding and scare mongering?

CryptoPunk 5y ago
Lung damage is certainly a symptom of some COVID cases, but a significant fraction of "long-COVID" 'abnormal breathing' symptoms may be related to anxiety. The same applies to psychological symptoms, like anxiety itself, which is the most commonly reported 'long-COVID' symptom. >>It sounds like you are seriously underestimating medical research and researchers/scientists. In what sense?
- theGeatZhopa 5y ago
  Every damage to the lung coming in shape of an infection produces fibrous material within the soft and spongy lungs. This minimize the volume of the "sponge" lung and in the end reduces the ability to do that gas exchange. Also, it seems COVID is not a respiratory disease but Rather a blood vessel disease. Your lungs have a lot of capillary blood vessels that, when get attacked by spike of the virus just get thrombosed out of the system by our defense. The bloods gas/exchange stops functioning properly. That damage sometimes never reverts. That's why the people can't breathe properly after infection. And that causes stress. Not the other way around. Also if one have been in needed for artificial rebreathening, alone that, blowing in pressurized air into lungs of exactly 1 bar or something, is a damage by itself. So that's why people can't breathe persistently for a long time. It's not psychology :) it's damage and scars everywhere in the substance.
  - CryptoPunk 5y ago
    >>Every damage to the lung coming in shape of an infection produces fibrous material within the soft and spongy lungs Most COVID cases are mild and could not possibly explain the incidence of 'abnormal breathing' symptoms.
    - theGeatZhopa 5y ago
      Yes, but I thought we're talking about the seriously infections, because that one's are and will be the ones who will also experience persistent long COVID symptoms. And it was my point that the ones who can't breathe are really impaired in their lung's function and not, as you say, it's because of stress. Even if the most cases are mild and the guys start to experience problems because of stress or psychological reasons, it's still the works of that Virus. They also found thrombosed capillaries on the surface of the brain and showed less bloodflow in that regions and some starting damage of the brain substance. That may cause tiredness and all the other symptoms which may be interpreted as psychological biased
      - CryptoPunk 5y ago
        The rate of reported long-COVID cases far exceeds the percentage of COVID infections which are serious. That's why my initial statement was: >>Lung damage is certainly a symptom of some COVID cases, but a significant fraction of "long-COVID" 'abnormal breathing' symptoms may be related to anxiety.

CryptoPunk 5y ago

Lung damage is certainly a symptom of some COVID cases, but a significant fraction of "long-COVID" 'abnormal breathing' symptoms may be related to anxiety. The same applies to psychological symptoms, like anxiety itself, which is the most commonly reported 'long-COVID' symptom. >>It sounds like you are seriously underestimating medical research and researchers/scientists. In what sense?

theGeatZhopa 5y ago
Every damage to the lung coming in shape of an infection produces fibrous material within the soft and spongy lungs. This minimize the volume of the "sponge" lung and in the end reduces the ability to do that gas exchange. Also, it seems COVID is not a respiratory disease but Rather a blood vessel disease. Your lungs have a lot of capillary blood vessels that, when get attacked by spike of the virus just get thrombosed out of the system by our defense. The bloods gas/exchange stops functioning properly. That damage sometimes never reverts. That's why the people can't breathe properly after infection. And that causes stress. Not the other way around. Also if one have been in needed for artificial rebreathening, alone that, blowing in pressurized air into lungs of exactly 1 bar or something, is a damage by itself. So that's why people can't breathe persistently for a long time. It's not psychology :) it's damage and scars everywhere in the substance.
- CryptoPunk 5y ago
  >>Every damage to the lung coming in shape of an infection produces fibrous material within the soft and spongy lungs Most COVID cases are mild and could not possibly explain the incidence of 'abnormal breathing' symptoms.
  - theGeatZhopa 5y ago
    Yes, but I thought we're talking about the seriously infections, because that one's are and will be the ones who will also experience persistent long COVID symptoms. And it was my point that the ones who can't breathe are really impaired in their lung's function and not, as you say, it's because of stress. Even if the most cases are mild and the guys start to experience problems because of stress or psychological reasons, it's still the works of that Virus. They also found thrombosed capillaries on the surface of the brain and showed less bloodflow in that regions and some starting damage of the brain substance. That may cause tiredness and all the other symptoms which may be interpreted as psychological biased
    - CryptoPunk 5y ago
      The rate of reported long-COVID cases far exceeds the percentage of COVID infections which are serious. That's why my initial statement was: >>Lung damage is certainly a symptom of some COVID cases, but a significant fraction of "long-COVID" 'abnormal breathing' symptoms may be related to anxiety.