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Ok... I was responding more specifically to... >the standard sequence is just year after year of memorizing facts and definitions with very little comparable l

Ok... I was responding more specifically to... >the standard sequence is just year after year of memorizing facts and definitions with very little comparable lab time And I compared the lab and lecture time... and they are very similar (essentially equal)... I didn't choose to respond to your overall ideas about a chemistry degree because that would require convincing you that there is quite a bit of fundamental information needed to make those labs useful (and efficient) and there was already a great misunderstanding regarding the amount of time chemistry students spend in the lab.

ModernMech 5y ago
> that would require convincing you that there is quite a bit of fundamental information needed to make those labs useful Well you don't need to convince me of that since I admit as much in my original post! > and there was already a great misunderstanding regarding the amount of time chemistry students spend in the lab. I can only speak to my experience advising dual CS and Chemistry majors. The ratio of lab to class hours for them is 1:2, and worse when you add electives. So that's the basis for my statement. YMMV.
- ravitation 5y ago
  >Well you don't need to convince me of that since I admit as much in my original post! Ok, I guess in your degree program the only difference is that you sit around in a lab instead of a lecture hall learning those fundamental things then? Because I'm not referring to some trivial amount of fundamental information... I'm referring to, roughly, the amount of information covered in 3 one hour lectures a week. > I can only speak to my experience advising dual CS and Chemistry majors. The ratio of lab to class hours for them is 1:2, and worse when you add electives. So that's the basis for my statement. YMMV. Ok, I'm citing directly from my university's course catalog (and also the courses I took at several universities) so YMMV.

ModernMech 5y ago

> that would require convincing you that there is quite a bit of fundamental information needed to make those labs useful Well you don't need to convince me of that since I admit as much in my original post! > and there was already a great misunderstanding regarding the amount of time chemistry students spend in the lab. I can only speak to my experience advising dual CS and Chemistry majors. The ratio of lab to class hours for them is 1:2, and worse when you add electives. So that's the basis for my statement. YMMV.

ravitation 5y ago
>Well you don't need to convince me of that since I admit as much in my original post! Ok, I guess in your degree program the only difference is that you sit around in a lab instead of a lecture hall learning those fundamental things then? Because I'm not referring to some trivial amount of fundamental information... I'm referring to, roughly, the amount of information covered in 3 one hour lectures a week. > I can only speak to my experience advising dual CS and Chemistry majors. The ratio of lab to class hours for them is 1:2, and worse when you add electives. So that's the basis for my statement. YMMV. Ok, I'm citing directly from my university's course catalog (and also the courses I took at several universities) so YMMV.