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Who said the data-harvesting would stop?

manningthegoose 5y ago
You're right, it probably won't, at least not while it's still printing money for all the corporate entities involved. But it's my understanding that most of the data-harvesting tools in use today were originally created to enhance ad-targeting and drive up CPM. At the very least we can hope products like Blue might put a dent in this incentive structure.
- vosper 5y ago
  > At the very least we can hope products like Blue might put a dent in this incentive structure. I wonder if Twitter Blue customers will be omitted from the data stream that Twitter is selling to corporations and governments?
- kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
  Cable television was supposed to be a direct funded, ad free alternative to broadcast.
  - dylan604 5y ago
    Something about a road being paved with good intentions feels appropriate here.
- otrahuevada 5y ago
  Facebook makes maybe about 30USD a year from any given profile: > https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a21272151/facebook-data-money-value/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a212721... Being relatively optimistic about Twitter's size, and assuming they're just fantastic at it, Twitter might make what, half of that? So for 3$ a month you need about half of the userbase to be on board for data munging to no longer make sense as a business model. I do wonder how high that mark is though, every SAAS I've worked with has been pay-to-use from the start, so this is not a metric I'm familiar with.
  - contravariant 5y ago
    What's weird here is that I would estimate it to be very difficult to find a person who generated over 30USD of revenue through ads for anyone other than the people selling the ads. But maybe my worldview is wrong here, I'm definitely not the right person to estimate Facebook's reach.
    - sodality2 5y ago
      Reminds me of: "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half."
      - bookofjoe 5y ago
        John Wanamaker; https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/theymadeamerica/whomade/wanamaker_hi.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/theymadeamerica/whomade/wanamaker_h...
  - webmaven 5y ago
    > So for 3$ a month you need about half of the userbase to be on board for data munging to no longer make sense as a business model. I think you might be assuming that advertising revenue is evenly distributed among users.
    - otrahuevada 5y ago
      Twitter Blue is being offered at 3$

You're right, it probably won't, at least not while it's still printing money for all the corporate entities involved. But it's my understanding that most of the data-harvesting tools in use today were originally created to enhance ad-targeting and drive up CPM. At the very least we can hope products like Blue might put a dent in this incentive structure.

vosper 5y ago
> At the very least we can hope products like Blue might put a dent in this incentive structure. I wonder if Twitter Blue customers will be omitted from the data stream that Twitter is selling to corporations and governments?
kevin_thibedeau 5y ago
Cable television was supposed to be a direct funded, ad free alternative to broadcast.
- dylan604 5y ago
  Something about a road being paved with good intentions feels appropriate here.
otrahuevada 5y ago
Facebook makes maybe about 30USD a year from any given profile: > https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a21272151/facebook-data-money-value/ https://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/security/a212721... Being relatively optimistic about Twitter's size, and assuming they're just fantastic at it, Twitter might make what, half of that? So for 3$ a month you need about half of the userbase to be on board for data munging to no longer make sense as a business model. I do wonder how high that mark is though, every SAAS I've worked with has been pay-to-use from the start, so this is not a metric I'm familiar with.
- contravariant 5y ago
  What's weird here is that I would estimate it to be very difficult to find a person who generated over 30USD of revenue through ads for anyone other than the people selling the ads. But maybe my worldview is wrong here, I'm definitely not the right person to estimate Facebook's reach.
  - sodality2 5y ago
    Reminds me of: "Half the money I spend on advertising is wasted; the trouble is I don't know which half."
    - bookofjoe 5y ago
      John Wanamaker; https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/theymadeamerica/whomade/wanamaker_hi.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/theymadeamerica/whomade/wanamaker_h...
- webmaven 5y ago
  > So for 3$ a month you need about half of the userbase to be on board for data munging to no longer make sense as a business model. I think you might be assuming that advertising revenue is evenly distributed among users.
  - otrahuevada 5y ago
    Twitter Blue is being offered at 3$