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The obligatory xkcd link to go with this article[1]. But to turn this in a more interesting direction, there are many unimaginable things that can happen in 5,0
by Dn_Ab 15y ago
The obligatory xkcd link to go with this article[1]. But to turn this in a more interesting direction, there are many unimaginable things that can happen in 5,000 years and I can think of a few. And also reasons why people choosing to self correct downwards might be not so bad. Some of the below were very uncomfortable for me to imagine although I try to practice not closing my mind.
Increased Productivity - So far, technology has made each person much more productive but it has also made them more expensive on the environment. I don't see that changing. And with more people being able to do more, the base level of required population drops. so a self chosen drop might be optimal for society's continued well being.
Life span increases and uploaded minds - If I were alive in 5000 years I would be suprised if the average life span had not been extended by a significant amount. Not to mention the possibility of minds hosted [2] on computations carried out by photons, particle spin or whatever phlebotinum they have.
Environmental stress - With people living longer and getting ever more expensive for the earth to host maybe it is ok that we are already self correcting now. Food may not be a problem but exponentially growing economic productivity could be. A lot of the environmental damage would be greatly reduced if there were less people[3]. This is a very dangerous line of thinking to traverse though and must be done only by those with a temperment strongly fortified with wisdom. Too rational an approach at scale will not be good for the individual.
Designer Babies - I read that people are already filtering baby genders and against diseases while they are still embryos [4]. It is only a matter of time till filtering graduates to optimization. Ignoring the possibility of a brave new world or gattaca scenario and the subsequent upheaval then destabilization of society as the have nots revolt, such a population could easily optimally repopulate the world at a controlled rate without people having to marry to make babies.
[1] http://xkcd.com/605/ http://xkcd.com/605/
[2] The idea of mind uploading I find thrilling but very uncomfortable. Even if I were one such uploaded being, the difference between that being and I would dwarf the difference between me and a bacterium. I may as well have died.
[3] Assuming it is not the endpath of civilization to completely dismantle its planet for its needs. and then go invisible.
[4] http://singularityhub.com/2009/02/25/designer-babies-like-it-or-not-here-they-come/ http://singularityhub.com/2009/02/25/designer-babies-like-it...
- csomar 15y agoOn the same line with uploaded minds, a technology that disable your senses, and send custom signals through your neural fibers. This makes it possible to live in a virtual world, reducing resource consumption for entertainments.
- nazgulnarsil 15y ago"I may as well have died." then die, lots of people do. your assertion of a discontinuity between yourself and your upload is baseless.
- TeMPOraL 15y agoReminds me of Cory Doctorow's "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom" - people who didn't want to 'back up' and 'restore' themselves simply died, and those who wanted to remained.
- Groxx 15y agoas is an assertion of continuity. To each their own.
- nazgulnarsil 15y agoyes, this was my point. in an absence of evidence making a claim either way is foolish. guess I should have phrased it differently.
- hugh3 15y agoInterestingly, we'll never have any evidence either way. If I upload myself into a computer and destroy my old body then the new "me" inside the computer will no doubt say "Oh yes, my experience was fully continuous", because it will have been from his. But that won't mean that my experience was fully continuous. And if the copy of me is not me then you won't be able to ask me because I'll be dead. To me the idea that my consciousness (as in, what I am currently experiencing) would get transferred across to a copy of me if I made such a copy and deleted the original seems to me rather implausible, though, especially as deleting the original seems to be optional in such a procedure. And no, I don't think quantum mechanics saves us.