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If we’re going to need people to populate austere environments lile Mars, we’re going to need people used to living without windows. Works for the Navy.
by hindsightbias 5y ago
If we’re going to need people to populate austere environments lile Mars, we’re going to need people used to living without windows.
Works for the Navy.
- dymk 5y agoThis is housing for undergrads on sunny coastal California, not the navy
- busterarm 5y agoWe're always just one declared war away from changing that. Your life's circumstances can change at a moment's notice. You could fall and have a devastating brain injury. Being comfortable with your circumstances can mostly only come from within.
- bagels 5y agoBad things can happen, therefore, we should not discourage bad things from happening?
- busterarm 5y agoHaving a windowless bedroom isn't some terrible tragedy that happens to you. It's a minor inconvenience and bit of adversity that is temporary. Probably about 20% of all of the people that I know who moved to New York to pursue their dreams lived for at least a year in an illegal windowless-bedroom shared apartment (they exist because there is demand for cheap housing). Young people need to be challenged with small bits of adversity from time to time to overcome instead of being coddled and incapable of dealing with real, adult problems by themselves. I say this as someone who had to drop out of college and become homeless before really getting on my feet in my mid-20s. So many of my peers bitch and moan and live NEET lifestyles as they're pushing 40 because their parents and society promised them the world after college and they never learned that nothing is achieved without hard work.
- dymk 5y agoThis is a good example of pointless suffering and self flagellation
- busterarm 5y ago"suffering". We're talking about UCSB students here. It's a school where wealthy, well-connected parents and administrators collude to skirt the rules to get their children admitted. It's a school where wealthy Chinese nationals send their children, because admissions is less competitive than the Chinese university admissions process and offers a better chance for their children. It's ranked 5th out of all public universities. None of those kids are suffering and I would suggest you reevaluate what suffering is.
- mitchdoogle 5y agoMars? That's your best argument? We're on Earth, so let's design for Earth.
- busterarm 5y agoNot Mars. "like Mars". The conversation is really about austere environments. Given current trends, Earth is likely to be full of austere living conditions in the future. Do you want to learn how to survive now or have to scramble to figure it out when it happens?
- hindsightbias 5y agoHN was pretty enthusiastic about pod housing/hotels back in the day. Hip solution for affordable urban housing. All these tiny home homeless neighborhoods aren't much more than a closet even if they have a tiny window usually covered with foil or cardboard.
- mattnewton 5y agoThe navy pays people to live like that; the university is charging people. Not sure this is comparable.
- busterarm 5y agoIf the education were worth a damn, people would be climbing over each other to get into those dorms. The juice not being worth the squeeze is not the dorms' fault.
- rtkwe 5y agoThe goal when designing something isn't to be as shitty as will be tolerated. And people are doing lots to get these educations... going massively in debt seems like a pretty strong indicator that people want the education I'd say.
- busterarm 5y agoCorrelation != Causation. American kids go massively into debt because their parents, their legislators and their universities have largely failed them. Kids aren't given a proper financial education before making the biggest financial decision of their lives. Laws were written to make student debt the most secure form of debt ever for lenders. Schools flush with public money have done nothing but increase the costs of education in ways that are often hardly visible or impactful for their students. American students get an incredibly poor ROI for their education on average. Pick your degree wisely.
- rtkwe 5y ago> Correlation != Causation. So people not clamoring to live in a shit windowless shoebox of a dorm might not reflect on the quality of the education?
- busterarm 5y agoStudents will deal with it for the eduation. I'm aware of a far less prestigious school where when they ran out of dorms they converted an abandoned super 8 motel for 3 years and the building was absolutely filthy and in terrible shape (it needed a new roof) and it was still full of students.
- dangerwill 5y agoHow about you trial this first and then come back to us? Might find that there is a reason for shore leave in the Navy