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Any sane man understands this, but crypto people are too steeped in lies. They're detached from reality, just like their beloved crypto money. Even if a perfec

Any sane man understands this, but crypto people are too steeped in lies. They're detached from reality, just like their beloved crypto money. Even if a perfect decentralized database will be invented, the violence, that enforces the rules under which the real world operates, can't be decentralized.

casi18 5y ago
maybe we dont want a society that is based upon threats of violence. maybe thats the problem. (3,3)
- andrewla 5y ago
  There's a strong argument that the nature of "civil society" is how far removed from that threat of violence we live. That is, people obey "the law" because it's the right thing to do and they don't do that. People don't steal, not because they worry about being arrested or imprisoned, but because stealing isn't right. Policing and Law Enforcement scales sublinearly with population size only if the population is by and large compliant, or rather, that the laws are compatible with the behavior and motivations of the majority of people. So we keep that foundation far away -- instead of violence, it's the thought of the social opprobrium of the prospect of the threat of violence. But it has to be there, otherwise people who were willing to resort to violence would take everything.
- ncallaway 5y ago
  > maybe we dont want a society that is based upon threats of violence. I'm not convinced that such a thing is possible. Fundamentally, for such a society there has to be some kind of rule that "threats of violence" and "violence itself" are not allowed. How is such a rule enforced? If your society is unwilling to be violent in any way, under any circumstances, but someone else is willing to be violent you're going to have a bad time.
andrewla 5y ago
Oddly enough, I'm a "crypto" person myself -- I've been active in the Bitcoin community since forever, basically. I still think cryptocurrencies are an enormously powerful concept, but we can't blind ourselves to the reality of how money and ownership works in the real world. I think the real reason my post got downvoted is that someone really wants to do my CopyCat idea and now they're worried that I'll sue them for stealing my idea. Should have made an NFT out of the business proposal.

casi18 5y ago

maybe we dont want a society that is based upon threats of violence. maybe thats the problem. (3,3)

andrewla 5y ago
There's a strong argument that the nature of "civil society" is how far removed from that threat of violence we live. That is, people obey "the law" because it's the right thing to do and they don't do that. People don't steal, not because they worry about being arrested or imprisoned, but because stealing isn't right. Policing and Law Enforcement scales sublinearly with population size only if the population is by and large compliant, or rather, that the laws are compatible with the behavior and motivations of the majority of people. So we keep that foundation far away -- instead of violence, it's the thought of the social opprobrium of the prospect of the threat of violence. But it has to be there, otherwise people who were willing to resort to violence would take everything.
ncallaway 5y ago
> maybe we dont want a society that is based upon threats of violence. I'm not convinced that such a thing is possible. Fundamentally, for such a society there has to be some kind of rule that "threats of violence" and "violence itself" are not allowed. How is such a rule enforced? If your society is unwilling to be violent in any way, under any circumstances, but someone else is willing to be violent you're going to have a bad time.

andrewla 5y ago

Oddly enough, I'm a "crypto" person myself -- I've been active in the Bitcoin community since forever, basically. I still think cryptocurrencies are an enormously powerful concept, but we can't blind ourselves to the reality of how money and ownership works in the real world. I think the real reason my post got downvoted is that someone really wants to do my CopyCat idea and now they're worried that I'll sue them for stealing my idea. Should have made an NFT out of the business proposal.