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That doesn't really have any bearing on whether or not the National Review is a broadly racist newspaper.
by bettysdiagnose 5y ago
That doesn't really have any bearing on whether or not the National Review is a broadly racist newspaper.
- mc32 5y agoPeople are loath to believe that minorities might be conservative, so they use all kinds of racist tropes and tools to present them as the actual bad thing. Look at former racist house representatives who were Democrats but renounced their racism. It's as if they never espoused racist views. But if they had been conservatives, then by definition they could never disavow their racist past and would for ever be racists.
- bettysdiagnose 5y agoStill no idea what any of that has to do with the National Review being a racist newspaper. Absolutely rabid stuff old chap.
- mardifoufs 5y agoThey are saying that if you have to judge the NR by who founded it, and assume they have the same beliefs now as they did back then it only makes sense to apply that same logic to the democratic party since it was notoriously extremely racist at the exact same period Buckley was advocating for segregation. It would be silly to say the DNC is still what it was in the 1950s, since "organisations change and it was 60 years ago" but the comment you're replying to is arguing that we only give that sort of benefit of the doubt when it's convenient politically. Buckley wouldn't be relevant otherwise here, and every single "older" newspaper would be a conservative rag if we were to go by what's been published or said by their founders.
- bettysdiagnose 5y agoNo, that's not what he's saying at all.
- woodruffw 5y agoI, for one, continue to think that those people are probably still racist. But the public sentiment is perfectly reasonable, given that they belong to the contemporary American party that has fewer (not zero!) white nationalists in it. But it’s still not clear what this has to do with the National Review.
- furgooswft13 5y agoIf you're looking for a broadly racist newspaper, check out the New York Times.
- bettysdiagnose 5y agoI'm not looking for a broadly racist newspaper, a total non sequitur on your part.
- furgooswft13 5y agoI'll take non sequitur snark over ad hominem lies any day.
- woodruffw 5y agoWhere's the lie? William Buckley was a proud white nationalist[1] and the magazine he founded continues to publish all kinds of blandly racist content and anti-semitic content (and authors)[2]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr.#Views_on_race_and_segregation https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_F._Buckley_Jr.#Views_o... [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Controversies https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Review#Controversies
- furgooswft13 5y agoThe lie is that they are racist today, not 50+ years ago. The examples in that list of controversies are weak to say the least. In each case that could vaguely be considered racism or antisemitism, the higher ups at the magazine issued a rebuke and often dismissed the writer. Is this really all you got? Meanwhile, the NYT posts shit like this: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracial-friendship-donald-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/11/opinion/sunday/interracia...