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White people are not the only ones capable of being racist. A good many people of color look at how pervasive white supremacy is and decide their local maximum

White people are not the only ones capable of being racist. A good many people of color look at how pervasive white supremacy is and decide their local maximum is to align with the white supremacists. Internalized white supremacy is a bitch.

mardifoufs 5y ago
It's usually white people accusing minorities of being "internalized white supremacists" though, and I can't think of anything more patronizing to minorities than that. Especially since it's usually whenever a minority does something they don't agree with ("they are going against their own self interest which should be to agree with me") so it completely reeks of white saviorism. I'm not saying that's what you are doing here, it's just that in my own experience it's rhetoric that is almost always used in a way to shutdown any criticism/dissent (and very rarely from someone who is part of a minority). A good example of that would be how non-whites are quickly labeled "low information voters" when they don't toe the party line. Obviously everyone can be racist or bigoted, regardless of race but that doesn't mean they are internalizing white supremacy whenre they aren't white, it just means they are racist. Its weird to make everything all about white people and the whole concept is increasingly sounding like a way to cope with bruised savior egos.
- wayoutthere 5y ago
  That’s the complexity of race in the US though. Your average African American person’s ancestry contains a whole lot of European ancestors too; in many cases more European ones than African ones. Who counts as white and who doesn’t, and in what context? We all have internalized white supremacy, regardless of our skin color. It’s just that the definition of “white” changes situationally (e.g. Italians weren’t considered “white” until the mid-1900s, rather they inhabited the “brown” space that south Asians and Hispanics currently do). But the internalized part is that we generally consider what is “white” to be the better outcome.

mardifoufs 5y ago

It's usually white people accusing minorities of being "internalized white supremacists" though, and I can't think of anything more patronizing to minorities than that. Especially since it's usually whenever a minority does something they don't agree with ("they are going against their own self interest which should be to agree with me") so it completely reeks of white saviorism. I'm not saying that's what you are doing here, it's just that in my own experience it's rhetoric that is almost always used in a way to shutdown any criticism/dissent (and very rarely from someone who is part of a minority). A good example of that would be how non-whites are quickly labeled "low information voters" when they don't toe the party line. Obviously everyone can be racist or bigoted, regardless of race but that doesn't mean they are internalizing white supremacy whenre they aren't white, it just means they are racist. Its weird to make everything all about white people and the whole concept is increasingly sounding like a way to cope with bruised savior egos.

wayoutthere 5y ago
That’s the complexity of race in the US though. Your average African American person’s ancestry contains a whole lot of European ancestors too; in many cases more European ones than African ones. Who counts as white and who doesn’t, and in what context? We all have internalized white supremacy, regardless of our skin color. It’s just that the definition of “white” changes situationally (e.g. Italians weren’t considered “white” until the mid-1900s, rather they inhabited the “brown” space that south Asians and Hispanics currently do). But the internalized part is that we generally consider what is “white” to be the better outcome.