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Didn't some artist get his NFTs stolen through Discord screensharing and he begged his Twitter followers not to acknowledge the possessor of the NFT as the real

Didn't some artist get his NFTs stolen through Discord screensharing and he begged his Twitter followers not to acknowledge the possessor of the NFT as the real owner of art?

pengwing 5y ago
I do not know this particular story and do not see the relevance to the points I am making. That being said, you cannot steal an NFT via Discord screensharing unless you manage to display your private key on screen. In which case: Children gotta learn that the stove is hot.
- lupire 5y ago
  And then children grow up into adults who don't use stoves as currency.
Joeboy 5y ago
I think maybe you're talking about this: https://futurism.com/person-furious-right-click-saved-precious-nft https://futurism.com/person-furious-right-click-saved-precio... Which strictly speaking is about the art being "stolen", not the NFT.
mherdeg 5y ago
I saw something like this described here: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1455325800291397633 https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1455325800291397633 My personal view here is that your continued ability to own an NFT depends on your ability to tell an interesting story. If 51% of the professional clout of the art world decides you don't own something any more, you ... might not? If the metadata that denote ownership of beeple's first 5000 everydays are accidentally overwritten due to a small bug, probably everyone will agree to ignore that. But if someone puts on a super cool art-thief costume and does a livestream where they write and execute software that resets the ownership so it's their art now, while they play "The Thomas Crown Affair" soundtrack in the background, probably everyone will go along with this, yeah? (Certainly the theft of the Mona Lisa increased its value!)
- Uehreka 5y ago
  If it’s really down to social consensus and not the state of the blockchain, then does the blockchain mean anything at all?
  - TigeriusKirk 5y ago
    The most important thing to understand about the blockchain is that it's a tool to facilitate social consensus. Once you get that, everything makes sense, from why bitcoin has value to the point of NFTs. It's worth taking time to think about it until it at least makes sense what's happening, even if you don't choose to participate yourself.
    - lupire 5y ago
      It's equally important to understand that the biggest names in the system are mostly fraudsters. It's a natural consequence of a system whose primary purpose is to replace government with "law of the jungle". That's only useful to people who want to live outside the law, because they are either persecuted or predators. The law exists because it works for most people. If you disagree with that, and believe it's imposed by some cartel by force, the you need an answer for why your alternative system won't also be dominated by people who would assert their power by force.
  - roywiggins 5y ago
    Not technically, but the story of "being on the blockchain" does seem to matter.
  - cslarson 5y ago
    It's more convenient to query a database than to ask everyone.
    - danpalmer 5y ago
      Which database to you query? They're on the blockchain, but you have to know which format you're accepting, how to verify, etc. Do you accept OpenSea as the source of truth for NFT ownership? How about Foundation? What about MyFirstMarketplace, the one that I've decided to create? This requires some social contract to know who the authority is, and that's probably based on how much they have spent on marketing to become The Authority. It always comes back to social contracts.
dktbs 5y ago
I'm assuming you're talking about this person: https://twitter.com/calvinbecerra/status/1454328591202721796 https://twitter.com/calvinbecerra/status/1454328591202721796 It was funny to see how they responded to losing their NFTs by being tricked on discord: they contacted the centralized storefronts (rarible, opensea) to have them marked as stolen.

Didn't some artist get his NFTs stolen through Discord screensharing and he begged his Twitter followers not to acknowledge the possessor of the NFT as the real owner of art?

pengwing 5y ago

I do not know this particular story and do not see the relevance to the points I am making. That being said, you cannot steal an NFT via Discord screensharing unless you manage to display your private key on screen. In which case: Children gotta learn that the stove is hot.

lupire 5y ago
And then children grow up into adults who don't use stoves as currency.

Joeboy 5y ago

I think maybe you're talking about this: https://futurism.com/person-furious-right-click-saved-precious-nft https://futurism.com/person-furious-right-click-saved-precio... Which strictly speaking is about the art being "stolen", not the NFT.

mherdeg 5y ago

I saw something like this described here: https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1455325800291397633 https://twitter.com/eevee/status/1455325800291397633 My personal view here is that your continued ability to own an NFT depends on your ability to tell an interesting story. If 51% of the professional clout of the art world decides you don't own something any more, you ... might not? If the metadata that denote ownership of beeple's first 5000 everydays are accidentally overwritten due to a small bug, probably everyone will agree to ignore that. But if someone puts on a super cool art-thief costume and does a livestream where they write and execute software that resets the ownership so it's their art now, while they play "The Thomas Crown Affair" soundtrack in the background, probably everyone will go along with this, yeah? (Certainly the theft of the Mona Lisa increased its value!)

Uehreka 5y ago
If it’s really down to social consensus and not the state of the blockchain, then does the blockchain mean anything at all?
- TigeriusKirk 5y ago
  The most important thing to understand about the blockchain is that it's a tool to facilitate social consensus. Once you get that, everything makes sense, from why bitcoin has value to the point of NFTs. It's worth taking time to think about it until it at least makes sense what's happening, even if you don't choose to participate yourself.
  - lupire 5y ago
    It's equally important to understand that the biggest names in the system are mostly fraudsters. It's a natural consequence of a system whose primary purpose is to replace government with "law of the jungle". That's only useful to people who want to live outside the law, because they are either persecuted or predators. The law exists because it works for most people. If you disagree with that, and believe it's imposed by some cartel by force, the you need an answer for why your alternative system won't also be dominated by people who would assert their power by force.
- roywiggins 5y ago
  Not technically, but the story of "being on the blockchain" does seem to matter.
- cslarson 5y ago
  It's more convenient to query a database than to ask everyone.
  - danpalmer 5y ago
    Which database to you query? They're on the blockchain, but you have to know which format you're accepting, how to verify, etc. Do you accept OpenSea as the source of truth for NFT ownership? How about Foundation? What about MyFirstMarketplace, the one that I've decided to create? This requires some social contract to know who the authority is, and that's probably based on how much they have spent on marketing to become The Authority. It always comes back to social contracts.

dktbs 5y ago

I'm assuming you're talking about this person: https://twitter.com/calvinbecerra/status/1454328591202721796 https://twitter.com/calvinbecerra/status/1454328591202721796 It was funny to see how they responded to losing their NFTs by being tricked on discord: they contacted the centralized storefronts (rarible, opensea) to have them marked as stolen.